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It is. If you start a fresh chat, turn on advanced voice, and just make any random sound like snapping your fingers it will just randomly pick up as if you’re c

It is. If you start a fresh chat, turn on advanced voice, and just make any random sound like snapping your fingers it will just randomly pick up as if you’re continuing some other chat with no context (on the user side). I honestly really dislike that it considers all my previous interactions because I typically used new chats as a way to get it out of context ruts.

throwaway314155 1y ago
I don't like the change either. At the least it should be an option you can configure. But, can you use a "temporary" chat to ignore your other chats as a workaround?
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- labrador 1y ago
  I had a discussion with GPT 4o about the memory system. I'd don't know if any of this is made up but it's a start for further research - Memory in settings is configurable. It is visible and can be edited. - Memory from global chat history is not configurable. Think of it as a system cache. - Both memory systems can be turned off - Chats in Projects do not use the global chat history. They are isolated. - Chats in Projects do use settings memory but that can be turned off.
  - labrador 1y ago
    I assume this is being downvoted because I said I ran it by GPT 4o. I don't know how to credit AI without giving the impression that I'm outsourcing my thinking to it
    - svat 1y ago
      I didn't downvote but it would be because of the "I'd don't know if any of this is made up" — if you said "GPT said this, and I've verified it to be correct", that's valuable information, even it came from a language model. But otherwise (if you didn't verify), there's not much value in the post, it's basically "here is some random plausible text" and plausibly incorrect is worse than nothing.
      - labrador 1y ago
        see my other comments about the trustworthiness about asking a chat system how it's internals work. They have reason to be cagey.
        malfist 1y ago
        Your personifying a statistical engine. LLMs aren't cagey. They can't be.
        labrador 1y ago
        I'm not. Translation: "the statistical engine has been tuned to act cagey about revealing it's internal operation"
        transcriptase 1y ago
        They can when there are entire teams dedicated to adding guardrails via hidden system prompts and running all responses through other LLMs trained on flagging and editing certain things before the original output gets relayed to the user.
    - grey-area 1y ago
      You are, and you should stop doing that.
      - labrador 1y ago
        Point taken. I admit my comment was silly the way I worded it. Here's the line I’m trying to walk: When I ask ChatGPT about its own internal operations, is it giving me the public info about it's operation, and also possibly revealing propreitary info, or making things up obfuscate and preserve the illusion of authority? Or all three?
        grey-area 1y ago
        Personally I don’t think it has agency so cannot be described as trying to do anything. It’s predicting what seems most likely as a description given its corpus (and now what you’d like to hear) and giving you that. The truth is not really something it knows, though it’s very good at giving answers that sound like it knows what it’s talking about. And yes if it doesn’t have an answer from its corpus it’ll just make things up.
        labrador 1y ago
        You're right, but tbh, we had that discussion last year. I'm talking about my relationship to it. The "relationship" being the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. That's the 2025 take on it.
    - throwaway314155 1y ago
      Put simply, GPT has no information about its internals. There is no method for introspection like you might infer from human reasoning abilities. Expecting anything but an hallucination in this instance is wishful thinking. And in any case, the risk of hallucination more generally means you should really vet information further than an LLM before spreading that information about.
      - labrador 1y ago
        True, the LLM has no information but OpenAI has provided it with enough information to explain it's memory system in regards to Project folders. I tested this out. If you want a chat without chat memory start a blank project and chat in there. I also discovered experientially that chat history memory is not editable. These aren't hallucinations.
        throwaway314155 1y ago
        > I had a discussion with GPT 4o about the memory system. This sentence is really all i'm criticizing. Can you hypothesize how the memory system works and then probe the system to gain better or worse confidence in your hypothesis? Yes. But that's not really what that first sentence implied. It implied that you straight up asked ChatGPT and took it on faith even though you can't even get a correct answer on the training cutoff date from ChatGPT (so they clearly aren't stuffing as much information into the system prompt as you might think, or they are but there's diminishing returns on the effectiveness)
        labrador 1y ago
        We're in different modes. I'm still feeling the glow of the thing coming alive and riffing on how perhaps its the memory change and you're interested in a different conversation. Part of my process is to imagine I'm having a conversation like Hanks and Wilson, or a coderand a rubber duck, but you want to tell me Wilson is just a volleyball and the duck can't be trusted.
        1y ago
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- voidspark 1y ago
  Settings -> Personalization -> Memory -> Disable
voidspark 1y ago
Settings -> Personalization -> Memory -> Disable https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8983136-what-is-memory https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8983136-what-is-memory

throwaway314155 1y ago

I don't like the change either. At the least it should be an option you can configure. But, can you use a "temporary" chat to ignore your other chats as a workaround?

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labrador 1y ago
I had a discussion with GPT 4o about the memory system. I'd don't know if any of this is made up but it's a start for further research - Memory in settings is configurable. It is visible and can be edited. - Memory from global chat history is not configurable. Think of it as a system cache. - Both memory systems can be turned off - Chats in Projects do not use the global chat history. They are isolated. - Chats in Projects do use settings memory but that can be turned off.
- labrador 1y ago
  I assume this is being downvoted because I said I ran it by GPT 4o. I don't know how to credit AI without giving the impression that I'm outsourcing my thinking to it
  - svat 1y ago
    I didn't downvote but it would be because of the "I'd don't know if any of this is made up" — if you said "GPT said this, and I've verified it to be correct", that's valuable information, even it came from a language model. But otherwise (if you didn't verify), there's not much value in the post, it's basically "here is some random plausible text" and plausibly incorrect is worse than nothing.
    - labrador 1y ago
      see my other comments about the trustworthiness about asking a chat system how it's internals work. They have reason to be cagey.
      - malfist 1y ago
        Your personifying a statistical engine. LLMs aren't cagey. They can't be.
        labrador 1y ago
        I'm not. Translation: "the statistical engine has been tuned to act cagey about revealing it's internal operation"
        transcriptase 1y ago
        They can when there are entire teams dedicated to adding guardrails via hidden system prompts and running all responses through other LLMs trained on flagging and editing certain things before the original output gets relayed to the user.
  - grey-area 1y ago
    You are, and you should stop doing that.
    - labrador 1y ago
      Point taken. I admit my comment was silly the way I worded it. Here's the line I’m trying to walk: When I ask ChatGPT about its own internal operations, is it giving me the public info about it's operation, and also possibly revealing propreitary info, or making things up obfuscate and preserve the illusion of authority? Or all three?
      - grey-area 1y ago
        Personally I don’t think it has agency so cannot be described as trying to do anything. It’s predicting what seems most likely as a description given its corpus (and now what you’d like to hear) and giving you that. The truth is not really something it knows, though it’s very good at giving answers that sound like it knows what it’s talking about. And yes if it doesn’t have an answer from its corpus it’ll just make things up.
        labrador 1y ago
        You're right, but tbh, we had that discussion last year. I'm talking about my relationship to it. The "relationship" being the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. That's the 2025 take on it.
  - throwaway314155 1y ago
    Put simply, GPT has no information about its internals. There is no method for introspection like you might infer from human reasoning abilities. Expecting anything but an hallucination in this instance is wishful thinking. And in any case, the risk of hallucination more generally means you should really vet information further than an LLM before spreading that information about.
    - labrador 1y ago
      True, the LLM has no information but OpenAI has provided it with enough information to explain it's memory system in regards to Project folders. I tested this out. If you want a chat without chat memory start a blank project and chat in there. I also discovered experientially that chat history memory is not editable. These aren't hallucinations.
      - throwaway314155 1y ago
        > I had a discussion with GPT 4o about the memory system. This sentence is really all i'm criticizing. Can you hypothesize how the memory system works and then probe the system to gain better or worse confidence in your hypothesis? Yes. But that's not really what that first sentence implied. It implied that you straight up asked ChatGPT and took it on faith even though you can't even get a correct answer on the training cutoff date from ChatGPT (so they clearly aren't stuffing as much information into the system prompt as you might think, or they are but there's diminishing returns on the effectiveness)
        labrador 1y ago
        We're in different modes. I'm still feeling the glow of the thing coming alive and riffing on how perhaps its the memory change and you're interested in a different conversation. Part of my process is to imagine I'm having a conversation like Hanks and Wilson, or a coderand a rubber duck, but you want to tell me Wilson is just a volleyball and the duck can't be trusted.
        1y ago
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voidspark 1y ago
Settings -> Personalization -> Memory -> Disable

voidspark 1y ago

Settings -> Personalization -> Memory -> Disable https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8983136-what-is-memory https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8983136-what-is-memory