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That's the cynical take, and it's been said about 9/11 as well. I don't think it's actually true in either case - but it's impossible to say with 100% certainty

That's the cynical take, and it's been said about 9/11 as well. I don't think it's actually true in either case - but it's impossible to say with 100% certainty.

dragontamer 1y ago
9/11 was after an election year. Oct 7th was during an election after Bibi started to directly take power out of Israeli courts. It makes very little sense for George Bush to try to create a problem so far away from reelection. That being said, it's a bit conspiracy theorist to blame Bibi without evidence. But if any evidence came up, the timing and overall political environment makes more sense.
- yonisto 1y ago
  Israel elections were on November 1st 2022, the next elections will take place around November 2026.
- dudinax 1y ago
  They had bombs in Hezbollah pagers. At this point I'd need to be convinced mossad didn't know about thousands of hamas soldiers massed for an attack.
  - b112 1y ago
    Look at the flack they're getting for defending themselves. This was after the scope and scale of that initial Hamas attack, which kicked everything off. Now imagine the flack if they blew up all those pagers (and the associated collateral damage) without a war under way. I think if the war didn't happen, they would have targeted high-profile people all at once, but with minimal collateral damage, leaving the rest of the pagers un-triggered.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Is "they" in the first sentence Gaza?
  - yonisto 1y ago
    Gaza wasn't and still isn't in the Mossad jurisdiction. It is part of the Shin-Bet and the Military's jurisdiction. I hope you got convinced.
parrit 1y ago
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- slashdev 1y ago
  > On the Gaza side the people are protesting against Hamas who are equally evil. I don't know how any human can look at Israel and Hamas and call them morally equivalent. I suggest your moral compass is badly broken, and that makes the rest of your analysis suspect at best.
  - parrit 1y ago
    They are not morally equivalent but they are both morally deviant for different reasons. You could say Hamas is more evil in intent though but Israel more evil by measure of death, destruction, displacement, imprisonment, war crimes, since they have the power to function as a free economy unlike Palestine which is occupied by Israel and they get arms and money from US tax payers.
    - slashdev 1y ago
      Self defense is not evil. Yes it's war, and wars are horrible, and innocent people die - but Israel didn’t start it. Gaza (that’s what you mean when you say Palestine? You don’t seem educated about the region) was free for the most part with zero occupation for the last twenty years. I support Israel in its right to defend itself.
      - immibis 1y ago
        Israel literally started the war by invading Palestine though? It happened a long time ago and they've been at war ever since. It's a hundred years war. I don't understand why some people think October 7 was the beginning of the war.
        slashdev 1y ago
        You must be referring to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War? That was not started by Israel! You would do well to read up a bit on the history of the region, because "Israel literally started the war by invading Palestine" just doesn't make any sense in a historical context, that never happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

That's the cynical take, and it's been said about 9/11 as well. I don't think it's actually true in either case - but it's impossible to say with 100% certainty.

dragontamer 1y ago

9/11 was after an election year. Oct 7th was during an election after Bibi started to directly take power out of Israeli courts. It makes very little sense for George Bush to try to create a problem so far away from reelection. That being said, it's a bit conspiracy theorist to blame Bibi without evidence. But if any evidence came up, the timing and overall political environment makes more sense.

yonisto 1y ago
Israel elections were on November 1st 2022, the next elections will take place around November 2026.
dudinax 1y ago
They had bombs in Hezbollah pagers. At this point I'd need to be convinced mossad didn't know about thousands of hamas soldiers massed for an attack.
- b112 1y ago
  Look at the flack they're getting for defending themselves. This was after the scope and scale of that initial Hamas attack, which kicked everything off. Now imagine the flack if they blew up all those pagers (and the associated collateral damage) without a war under way. I think if the war didn't happen, they would have targeted high-profile people all at once, but with minimal collateral damage, leaving the rest of the pagers un-triggered.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Is "they" in the first sentence Gaza?
- yonisto 1y ago
  Gaza wasn't and still isn't in the Mossad jurisdiction. It is part of the Shin-Bet and the Military's jurisdiction. I hope you got convinced.

parrit 1y ago

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slashdev 1y ago
> On the Gaza side the people are protesting against Hamas who are equally evil. I don't know how any human can look at Israel and Hamas and call them morally equivalent. I suggest your moral compass is badly broken, and that makes the rest of your analysis suspect at best.
- parrit 1y ago
  They are not morally equivalent but they are both morally deviant for different reasons. You could say Hamas is more evil in intent though but Israel more evil by measure of death, destruction, displacement, imprisonment, war crimes, since they have the power to function as a free economy unlike Palestine which is occupied by Israel and they get arms and money from US tax payers.
  - slashdev 1y ago
    Self defense is not evil. Yes it's war, and wars are horrible, and innocent people die - but Israel didn’t start it. Gaza (that’s what you mean when you say Palestine? You don’t seem educated about the region) was free for the most part with zero occupation for the last twenty years. I support Israel in its right to defend itself.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Israel literally started the war by invading Palestine though? It happened a long time ago and they've been at war ever since. It's a hundred years war. I don't understand why some people think October 7 was the beginning of the war.
      - slashdev 1y ago
        You must be referring to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War? That was not started by Israel! You would do well to read up a bit on the history of the region, because "Israel literally started the war by invading Palestine" just doesn't make any sense in a historical context, that never happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War