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I would consider us lucky to ever have a person like this serve us again. Instead we're on the Biff Tannen timeline.

koolba 1y ago
Jimmy Carter was a terrible President. He’s a fine person, but a terrible commander and chief. Heck, he even gave away the Panama Canal! That’s some serious lack of forward thinking.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  And most of America would gladly trade out Trump, Vance and the current crop of idiots in favor of Jimmy Carter or Bush the Lesser any day of the week. That's how far the steward class of this nation has fallen.
  - ashoeafoot 1y ago
    Trump is the weakest muppet of them all, biden, obamas redline reappears in ukraine. The commander in chief does nothing ..
  - koolba 1y ago
    > And most of America would gladly trade out Trump, Vance and the current crop of idiots in favor of Jimmy Carter or Bush the Lesser any day of the week. I doubt that. In the 2024 election he won the electoral college handily and also won the popular vote. Kind of hard to argue he wasn’t America’s choice.
    - jjulius 1y ago
      >... and also won the popular vote. Kind of hard to argue he wasn’t America’s choice. I guess the smartass ("teeeeechnically") way to argue against that is that for the popular vote Harris/Walz won 48.34%, Trump/Vance won 48.81%, and "other" candidates got 1.85%, for a total of 50.19% to Trump/Vance's 48.81%.
      - bilbo0s 1y ago
        And that's not even counting the people who didn't vote. Most of whom have definitely had enough of Trump at this point. Sometimes I think the political types and the elites don't realize how big of a minority they represent because they live in echo chambers that always tell them what they want to hear.
        koolba 1y ago
        > Sometimes I think the political types and the elites don't realize how big of a minority they represent because they live in echo chambers that always tell them what they want to hear. Coming to that conclusion yet not realizing that it applies perfectly to your own negative opinion of President Trump is pretty funny.
        bilbo0s 1y ago
        Guy? I get reminded, with my votes for independent parties, of how big a minority I represent in this nation literally every election. The difference between you and I is that I know I'm in the minority. Conservative and liberal voters feel they are in the majority. You're actually shocked that so many people are vehemently opposed to your policies. You genuinely believe the entire world believes in the policies you believe in because, surprise, surprise, everyone in your world does believe in those policies. In other words, your "echo chamber" has fooled you. That is what's dangerous. Getting taken in by your own propaganda. In the military back in the day they called it Incestuous Amplification. Whatever. Not worth trying to explain. Just try to do yourself a favor and remember that the purpose of your propaganda is to fool the enemy, not yourself.
        koolba 1y ago
        I’m not shocked that about half the country doesn’t agree. I just find it funny that that half of the country does not realize that the other half of the country is still half of a country.
        1y ago
    - bastardoperator 1y ago
      He was under 1% of the popular vote for 2024, so not handedly, he didn't even get close the previous two times. If we didn't have DEI for red states, aks electoral college he would have never been president. Only 25ish% of Americans voted for him this last time so what are you getting at? Unless he goes full dictator, I imagine Republicans are in trouble once their daddy is gone.
      - shaboinkin 1y ago
        That 25% turns out to over 77 million people. Reducing voting results to percentages is a bit silly in my opinion. We both major parties, including minority parties, are composed of autonomous individuals with individual worldviews that are shaped by their unique life experiences that are capable of sharing their ideas with others while simultaneously consuming new ideas, including those from faceless actors who may have a vested interest in seeing a particular group rise to power, then act on them. I have yet to see either major party present some message where some level of respect is required to even acknowledge that someone thinks differently than another, irrespective of the validity of their ideas, even if it’s completely illogical. The mainstream discourse I read typically descends into insults, which doesn’t help anything. However, I feel we’re past a point in which this is even possible given the polarization of viewpoints. That snowball has been rolling for over two decades it seems.
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- bryanlarsen 1y ago
  Carter is considered by many to be the greatest president ever. Besides the numerous accomplishments listed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-carter-career-legacy-reflection-most-successful https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-... I give him credit for two of Reagan's greatest legacies -- deregulation and beating inflation. Carter deregulated government far more than Reagan did, and he was the one that appointed Volcker and took the political hit for the pain Volcker caused in taming inflation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43871492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43871492 (elaborates on my two points)
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Carter is considered by many to be the greatest president ever. Certainly, I've frequently encountered the idea that he was the greatest ex-President ever, but hardly ever (anywhere on the political spectrum) that he was the greatest President ever.
    - poulsbohemian 1y ago
      History has come around a lot and Carter has been shown to have been a man ahead of his time. You are right that for many decades after his term he was not viewed favorably.
  - lapcat 1y ago
    > Carter is considered by many to be the greatest president ever. Citation needed. This is the first time I've ever heard such a wild claim. > Besides the numerous accomplishments listed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-carter-career-legacy-reflection-most-successful https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-... That opinion piece was written by a former member of the Carter administration.
    - cowboylowrez 1y ago
      I like to think if we had heeded the points in the "malaise" speech things would be very different today, but we as a country really liked the "buy now pay later" Reagan plan.
- ofrzeta 1y ago
  That was a good thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords
- FilosofumRex 1y ago
  Bush invaded Panama in 1989, and imprisoned its president, so technically he gave away your favorite canal. Besides it's called Panama Canal and not American Canal for a reason - perhaps it never belonged to us. Every president since Carter has talked a tough foreign policy but then either wisely paid the enemy off (Bush's Iran-Contra arms deal, Obama's planeload of cash), or stupidly started new wars which have bankrupted our treasury.
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  Still miles ahead of Trump or GWB.

Jimmy Carter was a terrible President. He’s a fine person, but a terrible commander and chief. Heck, he even gave away the Panama Canal! That’s some serious lack of forward thinking.

bilbo0s 1y ago
And most of America would gladly trade out Trump, Vance and the current crop of idiots in favor of Jimmy Carter or Bush the Lesser any day of the week. That's how far the steward class of this nation has fallen.
- ashoeafoot 1y ago
  Trump is the weakest muppet of them all, biden, obamas redline reappears in ukraine. The commander in chief does nothing ..
- koolba 1y ago
  > And most of America would gladly trade out Trump, Vance and the current crop of idiots in favor of Jimmy Carter or Bush the Lesser any day of the week. I doubt that. In the 2024 election he won the electoral college handily and also won the popular vote. Kind of hard to argue he wasn’t America’s choice.
  - jjulius 1y ago
    >... and also won the popular vote. Kind of hard to argue he wasn’t America’s choice. I guess the smartass ("teeeeechnically") way to argue against that is that for the popular vote Harris/Walz won 48.34%, Trump/Vance won 48.81%, and "other" candidates got 1.85%, for a total of 50.19% to Trump/Vance's 48.81%.
    - bilbo0s 1y ago
      And that's not even counting the people who didn't vote. Most of whom have definitely had enough of Trump at this point. Sometimes I think the political types and the elites don't realize how big of a minority they represent because they live in echo chambers that always tell them what they want to hear.
      - koolba 1y ago
        > Sometimes I think the political types and the elites don't realize how big of a minority they represent because they live in echo chambers that always tell them what they want to hear. Coming to that conclusion yet not realizing that it applies perfectly to your own negative opinion of President Trump is pretty funny.
        bilbo0s 1y ago
        Guy? I get reminded, with my votes for independent parties, of how big a minority I represent in this nation literally every election. The difference between you and I is that I know I'm in the minority. Conservative and liberal voters feel they are in the majority. You're actually shocked that so many people are vehemently opposed to your policies. You genuinely believe the entire world believes in the policies you believe in because, surprise, surprise, everyone in your world does believe in those policies. In other words, your "echo chamber" has fooled you. That is what's dangerous. Getting taken in by your own propaganda. In the military back in the day they called it Incestuous Amplification. Whatever. Not worth trying to explain. Just try to do yourself a favor and remember that the purpose of your propaganda is to fool the enemy, not yourself.
        koolba 1y ago
        I’m not shocked that about half the country doesn’t agree. I just find it funny that that half of the country does not realize that the other half of the country is still half of a country.
        1y ago
  - bastardoperator 1y ago
    He was under 1% of the popular vote for 2024, so not handedly, he didn't even get close the previous two times. If we didn't have DEI for red states, aks electoral college he would have never been president. Only 25ish% of Americans voted for him this last time so what are you getting at? Unless he goes full dictator, I imagine Republicans are in trouble once their daddy is gone.
    - shaboinkin 1y ago
      That 25% turns out to over 77 million people. Reducing voting results to percentages is a bit silly in my opinion. We both major parties, including minority parties, are composed of autonomous individuals with individual worldviews that are shaped by their unique life experiences that are capable of sharing their ideas with others while simultaneously consuming new ideas, including those from faceless actors who may have a vested interest in seeing a particular group rise to power, then act on them. I have yet to see either major party present some message where some level of respect is required to even acknowledge that someone thinks differently than another, irrespective of the validity of their ideas, even if it’s completely illogical. The mainstream discourse I read typically descends into insults, which doesn’t help anything. However, I feel we’re past a point in which this is even possible given the polarization of viewpoints. That snowball has been rolling for over two decades it seems.
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bryanlarsen 1y ago
Carter is considered by many to be the greatest president ever. Besides the numerous accomplishments listed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-carter-career-legacy-reflection-most-successful https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-... I give him credit for two of Reagan's greatest legacies -- deregulation and beating inflation. Carter deregulated government far more than Reagan did, and he was the one that appointed Volcker and took the political hit for the pain Volcker caused in taming inflation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43871492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43871492 (elaborates on my two points)
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Carter is considered by many to be the greatest president ever. Certainly, I've frequently encountered the idea that he was the greatest ex-President ever, but hardly ever (anywhere on the political spectrum) that he was the greatest President ever.
  - poulsbohemian 1y ago
    History has come around a lot and Carter has been shown to have been a man ahead of his time. You are right that for many decades after his term he was not viewed favorably.
- lapcat 1y ago
  > Carter is considered by many to be the greatest president ever. Citation needed. This is the first time I've ever heard such a wild claim. > Besides the numerous accomplishments listed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-carter-career-legacy-reflection-most-successful https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/30/jimmy-... That opinion piece was written by a former member of the Carter administration.
  - cowboylowrez 1y ago
    I like to think if we had heeded the points in the "malaise" speech things would be very different today, but we as a country really liked the "buy now pay later" Reagan plan.
ofrzeta 1y ago
That was a good thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords
FilosofumRex 1y ago
Bush invaded Panama in 1989, and imprisoned its president, so technically he gave away your favorite canal. Besides it's called Panama Canal and not American Canal for a reason - perhaps it never belonged to us. Every president since Carter has talked a tough foreign policy but then either wisely paid the enemy off (Bush's Iran-Contra arms deal, Obama's planeload of cash), or stupidly started new wars which have bankrupted our treasury.
insane_dreamer 1y ago
Still miles ahead of Trump or GWB.