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I'm pretty sure with Trump this time around it is much less the case. In his first admin there are endless stories of the "Adults" in the room keeping him in ch

I'm pretty sure with Trump this time around it is much less the case. In his first admin there are endless stories of the "Adults" in the room keeping him in check. This time around he was sure to only fill his cabinet with yes men, so no one could keep him reigned in.

thesurlydev 2y ago
My thoughts exactly and it makes me truly terrified.
agloe_dreams 2y ago
Heh...it is so much worse than that. Trump has no idea what he is doing, it has been very clear in interviews. In the first admin, it was the adults in the room, the thing is, it's not yes men this time...it's the villians in the room. Trump is being handed EOs that he doesn't have a clue about. For all the talk about P2025 and denial of any relation to it, they have done roughly 50% of the actions in the project already with more on the way. ~2/3rds of all his EOs have been in the plan. Virtually everyone related to the project is now in the admin - the head of the FCC literally wrote the 'FCC' section and boy is it an attack on everything the EFF holds dear. I think what is notable is that it seems to have gotten more bold - the plan called for reducing USAID, not killing it for example. And Yes, page 246, killing funding for PBS.
- dgreensp 2y ago
  Exactly. Trump is practically illiterate and is being handed things to sign. His original ideas that were pushed back on by his advisors in his first term were a different sort of idea, things like, "Why can't we just force that country to do what we want, we're the USA, we're the most powerful, we could just bomb them."
  - ta1243 2y ago
    For those downvoting you for saying Trump is practically illiterate Here he is asking the UK prime minister to read out a letter he'd been sent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxxpxe5qko https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxxpxe5qko
- rs999gti 2y ago
  > Trump is being handed EOs that he doesn't have a clue about. Probably like every president before him. No president like CEOs can know everything about the organization they head. They are mostly the face and mouthpiece, and depend on chiefs and VPs to tell them what needs to be done according to the agenda that CEO or president has put forth.
  - agloe_dreams 2y ago
    Definitely, Biden certainly as well. I would argue that this is mostly a modern thing. EOs were far less common in the past and I would argue that far younger presidents often were far more in control of their admin. At the very least, they understood the paper they were signing.
neogodless 2y ago
I just want to clarify that you're responding to someone who is saying that there are "people behind Trump" - not his "advisors" aka "yes men" but rather people with lots of money and influence, but behind the scenes. This might be Peter Thiel or Curtis Yarvin or The Heritage Group. I'm not sure, and it's hard to know that for sure. But it's a bit of a separate concept from the actual Cabinet Members and what may have put checks on him in his first term.
- the_other 2y ago
  So you're saying there's a group behind the state? "A deep state" that's _really_ pulling the strings?
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - neogodless 2y ago
    When someone tends to project, most accusations are actually admissions.
timdiggerm 2y ago
You're right that last time there were "adults in the room" trying to keep him in check. This time, however, he's often doing whatever Heritage/Project 2025 tell him to do. Russell Vought, Stephen Miller, John McEntee, etc.
- Teever 2y ago
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  - colpabar 2y ago
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    - Teever 2y ago
      I don't like that it gets flagged, because there are some insightful conversations out there. The subject is important and the budgets of PBS and NPR pertain to the 'curiosity' guideline that Dang loves so much. What I'd prefer to see is better moderation from users and admins alike to deal with the offending comments but not the entire thread.
      - tzs 2y ago
        I don't see how you can so easily dismiss discussion of P2025's role in this administration as just Reddit stuff. Around 30 of this administration's cabinet members and agency heads are the authors of the parts of P2025 that covered the subject of the cabinet position they now hold or the agency they now head, and their actions are closely following the plan they laid out in P2025.
        Teever 2y ago
        I'm not dismissing discussion about the subject. I'm dismissing poor quality discussion around the subject.
  - mariusor 2y ago

thesurlydev 2y ago

My thoughts exactly and it makes me truly terrified.

agloe_dreams 2y ago

Heh...it is so much worse than that. Trump has no idea what he is doing, it has been very clear in interviews. In the first admin, it was the adults in the room, the thing is, it's not yes men this time...it's the villians in the room. Trump is being handed EOs that he doesn't have a clue about. For all the talk about P2025 and denial of any relation to it, they have done roughly 50% of the actions in the project already with more on the way. ~2/3rds of all his EOs have been in the plan. Virtually everyone related to the project is now in the admin - the head of the FCC literally wrote the 'FCC' section and boy is it an attack on everything the EFF holds dear. I think what is notable is that it seems to have gotten more bold - the plan called for reducing USAID, not killing it for example. And Yes, page 246, killing funding for PBS.

dgreensp 2y ago
Exactly. Trump is practically illiterate and is being handed things to sign. His original ideas that were pushed back on by his advisors in his first term were a different sort of idea, things like, "Why can't we just force that country to do what we want, we're the USA, we're the most powerful, we could just bomb them."
- ta1243 2y ago
  For those downvoting you for saying Trump is practically illiterate Here he is asking the UK prime minister to read out a letter he'd been sent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxxpxe5qko https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxxpxe5qko
rs999gti 2y ago
> Trump is being handed EOs that he doesn't have a clue about. Probably like every president before him. No president like CEOs can know everything about the organization they head. They are mostly the face and mouthpiece, and depend on chiefs and VPs to tell them what needs to be done according to the agenda that CEO or president has put forth.
- agloe_dreams 2y ago
  Definitely, Biden certainly as well. I would argue that this is mostly a modern thing. EOs were far less common in the past and I would argue that far younger presidents often were far more in control of their admin. At the very least, they understood the paper they were signing.

neogodless 2y ago

I just want to clarify that you're responding to someone who is saying that there are "people behind Trump" - not his "advisors" aka "yes men" but rather people with lots of money and influence, but behind the scenes. This might be Peter Thiel or Curtis Yarvin or The Heritage Group. I'm not sure, and it's hard to know that for sure. But it's a bit of a separate concept from the actual Cabinet Members and what may have put checks on him in his first term.

the_other 2y ago
So you're saying there's a group behind the state? "A deep state" that's _really_ pulling the strings?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- neogodless 2y ago
  When someone tends to project, most accusations are actually admissions.

timdiggerm 2y ago

You're right that last time there were "adults in the room" trying to keep him in check. This time, however, he's often doing whatever Heritage/Project 2025 tell him to do. Russell Vought, Stephen Miller, John McEntee, etc.

Teever 2y ago
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- colpabar 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - Teever 2y ago
    I don't like that it gets flagged, because there are some insightful conversations out there. The subject is important and the budgets of PBS and NPR pertain to the 'curiosity' guideline that Dang loves so much. What I'd prefer to see is better moderation from users and admins alike to deal with the offending comments but not the entire thread.
    - tzs 2y ago
      I don't see how you can so easily dismiss discussion of P2025's role in this administration as just Reddit stuff. Around 30 of this administration's cabinet members and agency heads are the authors of the parts of P2025 that covered the subject of the cabinet position they now hold or the agency they now head, and their actions are closely following the plan they laid out in P2025.
      - Teever 2y ago
        I'm not dismissing discussion about the subject. I'm dismissing poor quality discussion around the subject.
- mariusor 2y ago