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Feel they didn't really test these genres "Cajun synthpop chant" has no chanting or synths, it sounds more like country music with french woman vocals

lucasoshiro 1y ago
When I try to mix genres that are too different, it chooses only one of them and ignore the others... let's see if it's better in the new version
- whywhywhywhy 1y ago
  Makes it weird they chose to demo it like this imho when it's not good at that. This design makes it look like its specifically that being shown off.
mclau157 1y ago
Agreed, Suno still very often does not follow instructions
svantana 1y ago
Yes, suno has definitely focused more on lyric and melody than prompt following. If the prompt is more than 3-4 words then it deteriorates pretty quickly. I think one reason is that there's not a lot of high quality descriptions of music around - you can guess the genre of the artist, and you can scrape reviews and the like, but that will be pretty noisy.
- natdempk 1y ago
  You can do a lot more detailed prompts with v4.5 than previously and instructions in [brackets] also go a long way now.
  - Mockapapella 1y ago
    Could you elaborate on the instructions in brackets part?
    - dumpsterdiver 1y ago
      Brackets such as [Verse] help provide waveform separation in the edit view so that you can easily edit that section without manually dragging the slider. Others such as [Interrupt] will provide a DJ-like fade-out / announcement (that was <Artist name>, next up..." / fade-in - providing an opportunity to break the AI out of repetitive loops it obsesses about. I've used [Bridge] successfully, and [Instrumental] [No vocals] work reliably as well (there are also instrumental options, but I still use brackets out of habit I guess).
    - natdempk 1y ago
      Sure, you can do a lot of things here... stuff in [brackets] isn't sung. For example I was trying to steer a melodic techno prompt recently in a better direction by putting stuff like this upfront: [intro - dramatic synths, pulsing techno bass] [organic percussive samples] [rolling galloping pulsing gritty bassline] [soaring experimental synths, modulation heavy, echos, sound design, 3d sound] [lush atmosphere, variation] [hypnotic groovy arppegiation arps] [sampled repetitive trippy vocal] All of this is just stuff I kind of made up and wanted in the song, but it meaningfully improved the output over just tags. I think "steering/nudging the generation space" is a decent idea for how I feel like this affects the output. I also often use them to structure things around song structure like [intro], [break], [chorus], and even get more descriptive with these describing things or moments I'd like to happen. Again adherence is not perfect, but seems to help steer things. One of my favorite tags I've seen is [Suck the entire song through vacuum] and well... I choose to believe, check out 1:29 https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I Worth playing around with a bunch, especially if you're not quite getting something interesting or in the direction you want.
TonyTrapp 1y ago
None of the Acid House samples have anything to do with Acid House either. The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass.
- timeon 1y ago
  > The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass. So another slop?
ofrzeta 1y ago
I tested around five genres although they were more mainstream than what you picked and they were quite good, for instance French Ska. If someone told me it was an actual French Ska band I wouldn't have doubted it. Or Klezmer music, but maybe the Jiddish wasn't totally correct.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  All of the non-English lyrics are so cringe as to border on intentional parody.
  - ofrzeta 1y ago
    Good call. Need to test some songs in my mother tongue.

lucasoshiro 1y ago

When I try to mix genres that are too different, it chooses only one of them and ignore the others... let's see if it's better in the new version

whywhywhywhy 1y ago
Makes it weird they chose to demo it like this imho when it's not good at that. This design makes it look like its specifically that being shown off.

mclau157 1y ago

Agreed, Suno still very often does not follow instructions

svantana 1y ago

Yes, suno has definitely focused more on lyric and melody than prompt following. If the prompt is more than 3-4 words then it deteriorates pretty quickly. I think one reason is that there's not a lot of high quality descriptions of music around - you can guess the genre of the artist, and you can scrape reviews and the like, but that will be pretty noisy.

natdempk 1y ago
You can do a lot more detailed prompts with v4.5 than previously and instructions in [brackets] also go a long way now.
- Mockapapella 1y ago
  Could you elaborate on the instructions in brackets part?
  - dumpsterdiver 1y ago
    Brackets such as [Verse] help provide waveform separation in the edit view so that you can easily edit that section without manually dragging the slider. Others such as [Interrupt] will provide a DJ-like fade-out / announcement (that was <Artist name>, next up..." / fade-in - providing an opportunity to break the AI out of repetitive loops it obsesses about. I've used [Bridge] successfully, and [Instrumental] [No vocals] work reliably as well (there are also instrumental options, but I still use brackets out of habit I guess).
  - natdempk 1y ago
    Sure, you can do a lot of things here... stuff in [brackets] isn't sung. For example I was trying to steer a melodic techno prompt recently in a better direction by putting stuff like this upfront: [intro - dramatic synths, pulsing techno bass] [organic percussive samples] [rolling galloping pulsing gritty bassline] [soaring experimental synths, modulation heavy, echos, sound design, 3d sound] [lush atmosphere, variation] [hypnotic groovy arppegiation arps] [sampled repetitive trippy vocal] All of this is just stuff I kind of made up and wanted in the song, but it meaningfully improved the output over just tags. I think "steering/nudging the generation space" is a decent idea for how I feel like this affects the output. I also often use them to structure things around song structure like [intro], [break], [chorus], and even get more descriptive with these describing things or moments I'd like to happen. Again adherence is not perfect, but seems to help steer things. One of my favorite tags I've seen is [Suck the entire song through vacuum] and well... I choose to believe, check out 1:29 https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I Worth playing around with a bunch, especially if you're not quite getting something interesting or in the direction you want.

TonyTrapp 1y ago

None of the Acid House samples have anything to do with Acid House either. The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass.

timeon 1y ago
> The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass. So another slop?

ofrzeta 1y ago

I tested around five genres although they were more mainstream than what you picked and they were quite good, for instance French Ska. If someone told me it was an actual French Ska band I wouldn't have doubted it. Or Klezmer music, but maybe the Jiddish wasn't totally correct.

otabdeveloper4 1y ago
All of the non-English lyrics are so cringe as to border on intentional parody.
- ofrzeta 1y ago
  Good call. Need to test some songs in my mother tongue.