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Regarding the AfD, ‘Senior members have been disgraced for playing down Nazi war crimes and accepting suspicious payments from Russia and China. There were cal

Regarding the AfD, ‘Senior members have been disgraced for playing down Nazi war crimes and accepting suspicious payments from Russia and China. There were calls to ban the party when it was reported party members were at a meeting of neo-Nazis where a “master plan” to expel millions of people from Germany was discussed, including asylum seekers, foreigners with residency rights and “unassimilated citizens”. The AfD were shut out of coalition government by the “firewall”, an agreement by mainstream parties not to work with those deemed too extreme. JD Vance, the US vice-president, criticised the firewall as anti-democratic.’ [0] There is plenty more on the subject [1, 2, 3, 4]. > They just seem to be regular right wing by American standards. This might be a comment on the state of American politics as much as it is on Germany’s. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/02/afd-classified-right-wing-extremist-germany-spy-agency-bfv/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/02/afd-classi... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-jd-vance-is-wrong-about-afd-nazis/a-71212825 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-jd-vance-is-wrong-about-afd... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/afd-readmits-two-politicians-excluded-over-nazi-related-remarks https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/afd-readmits-t... [4] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-02/german-spy-agency-labels-far-right-party-as-extremist/105246106 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-02/german-spy-agency-lab...

tharmas 2y ago
>accepting suspicious payments from Russia Do you really think the Russians would ever support a Neo Nazi party after what happened in WW2? That's propaganda.
- froh 2y ago
  "extreme right" is a super set of "nazi". Putin is extreme right and not a nazi. Netanjahu is considered right extreme, certainly he is not a nazi. the list goes on.
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  The current Russian government supports every movement that may help to destabilize Europe, extreme left or extreme right ideologies only matter to them as a tool for targeting specific demographics by their propaganda industry.
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- tastyface 2y ago
  Are you kidding? The Russian ruling class *adores* the global far-right. They don't see them as Nazis, but as kin.
  - tharmas 1y ago
    And the West's support of Israel's IDF, how would you characterize that?
- int_19h 2y ago
  I'm Russian, and yes, absolutely, Russia would do that so long as said party is friendly towards Russia. It's not like it would even be the first time. USSR was very friendly to Nazi Germany in 1939-40. And in modern Russian parlance, the words "Nazi" and "fascist" don't have any semantic load other than "our enemies". For example, EU is "Nazi", while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group is not.
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin and the whole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

tharmas 2y ago

>accepting suspicious payments from Russia Do you really think the Russians would ever support a Neo Nazi party after what happened in WW2? That's propaganda.

froh 2y ago
"extreme right" is a super set of "nazi". Putin is extreme right and not a nazi. Netanjahu is considered right extreme, certainly he is not a nazi. the list goes on.
flohofwoe 2y ago
The current Russian government supports every movement that may help to destabilize Europe, extreme left or extreme right ideologies only matter to them as a tool for targeting specific demographics by their propaganda industry.
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tastyface 2y ago
Are you kidding? The Russian ruling class *adores* the global far-right. They don't see them as Nazis, but as kin.
- tharmas 1y ago
  And the West's support of Israel's IDF, how would you characterize that?
int_19h 2y ago
I'm Russian, and yes, absolutely, Russia would do that so long as said party is friendly towards Russia. It's not like it would even be the first time. USSR was very friendly to Nazi Germany in 1939-40. And in modern Russian parlance, the words "Nazi" and "fascist" don't have any semantic load other than "our enemies". For example, EU is "Nazi", while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group is not.
TiredOfLife 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin and the whole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group