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These discussions are important. It's okay for us, as a society, to make mistakes. Especially if the mistakes are made in an attempt to do "the right thing", wh

These discussions are important. It's okay for us, as a society, to make mistakes. Especially if the mistakes are made in an attempt to do "the right thing", whatever that is. We can only make the decisions we make with the information we have available in the moment, but it is important, later, to be honest with ourselves about the outcomes of the decisions we made and try to learn from them to improve decision making next time. We shouldn't need to be defensive about this or that, we should follow the data, wherever it leads. If it turns out the risk from spreading COVID wasn't worth the social and economic damage of lockdowns, that's an important data point to consider when making these kinds of decisions again.

486sx33 1y ago
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- John23832 1y ago
  EDIT: I think the person that I responded to is a bot or malactor. In the history of their account, they say things and have 0 responses. > This feels like it was a bigger exercise in control. And this seems like conspiracy. > It’s ok to make mistakes. It’s the lack of critical thinking which was the problem here and made the outcome so much worse. Who saw evidence that masks were effective? Who tracked COVID infections verses school shut downs? Who forced vaccines on children instead of understanding their natural immunity? It's readily apparent that the vast majority of people have never attempted to solve hard, consequential problems, with real world (life or death) effect and limited time scope. In that reality you make decisions with what you know, make inferences, and act. I've worked as an EMT. I can tell you plenty of times we made decisions in the moment that, with the benefit of hindsight, were suboptimal. I've seen emergency doctors do the same. However, there was not the opportunity to do nothing. I totally agree we could have done better, but that is in hindsight. The armchair quarterbacking on the internet, 5 years later, comes off as unexperienced imo.
  - jasonvorhe 1y ago
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    - John23832 1y ago
      Just dropping a 54 page document with zero context means nothing. What did you want anyone to take from this?
      - jasonvorhe 1y ago
        Lock step, page 17. that you're throwing around the conspiracy term without knowing this document is telling though.
        cassianoleal 1y ago
        Could you summarise what you think is important from that document in this context, and why you feel it’s relevant? I’m interested in this subject but unfortunately don’t have the time and energy to sift through it running the risk of it being uninteresting to me.
- tzs 1y ago
  > Who saw evidence that masks were effective? Pretty much everyone who actually conducted an experimental study?

486sx33 1y ago

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John23832 1y ago
EDIT: I think the person that I responded to is a bot or malactor. In the history of their account, they say things and have 0 responses. > This feels like it was a bigger exercise in control. And this seems like conspiracy. > It’s ok to make mistakes. It’s the lack of critical thinking which was the problem here and made the outcome so much worse. Who saw evidence that masks were effective? Who tracked COVID infections verses school shut downs? Who forced vaccines on children instead of understanding their natural immunity? It's readily apparent that the vast majority of people have never attempted to solve hard, consequential problems, with real world (life or death) effect and limited time scope. In that reality you make decisions with what you know, make inferences, and act. I've worked as an EMT. I can tell you plenty of times we made decisions in the moment that, with the benefit of hindsight, were suboptimal. I've seen emergency doctors do the same. However, there was not the opportunity to do nothing. I totally agree we could have done better, but that is in hindsight. The armchair quarterbacking on the internet, 5 years later, comes off as unexperienced imo.
- jasonvorhe 1y ago
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  - John23832 1y ago
    Just dropping a 54 page document with zero context means nothing. What did you want anyone to take from this?
    - jasonvorhe 1y ago
      Lock step, page 17. that you're throwing around the conspiracy term without knowing this document is telling though.
      - cassianoleal 1y ago
        Could you summarise what you think is important from that document in this context, and why you feel it’s relevant? I’m interested in this subject but unfortunately don’t have the time and energy to sift through it running the risk of it being uninteresting to me.
tzs 1y ago
> Who saw evidence that masks were effective? Pretty much everyone who actually conducted an experimental study?