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> something that is utterly absent from “An Abundance of Caution”—any palpable recognition of where all the caution was coming from. This sums it up. No recogn

> something that is utterly absent from “An Abundance of Caution”—any palpable recognition of where all the caution was coming from. This sums it up. No recognition of there being adults in schools, of there being adults in the homes these children come back to, of Sweden’s substantially higher excess deaths, or of the deaths happening at the same time as the school closures.

votepaunchy 1y ago
Sweden ranked second behind only Norway for lowest excess mortality among European Nations. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparingdifferentinternationalmeasuresofexcessmortality/2022-12-20 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...
- ZeroGravitas 1y ago
  Sweden's death are heavily front loaded though, 60% in the first year when Norway actually had negative excess deaths in that year. So roughly 14,000 years of life saved in Norway, even if they ended up dying within 2 years anyway.
  - rogerrogerr 1y ago
    “Years of life saved” is the wrong metric - the one we need to optimize for is sum quality-of-life * years across the population. We stole a few years of young people’s _highest_ quality of life, and in many cases saddled them with long term academic deficits, to save a few years of older people’s lowest quality of life. It’s a morally reprehensible decision when looked at from a high level.
    - bdangubic 1y ago
      We stole a few years you from Australia? :) my kid’s school was closed for a quarter. and the rest of it is on parents, my kid actually progressed academically during covid and socialized with numerous other kids. was not ideal but also not some earth-shaddering thing if a kid had right parents
    - ben_w 1y ago
      My memories of school were of nothing special happening there. I wouldn't have missed anything if I'd needed to learn remotely. And that was an era before smartphones and social connection via multiplayer games and everyone (not just me) being terminally online. As an adult, I even found my quality of life actually went up during the lockdowns.

votepaunchy 1y ago

Sweden ranked second behind only Norway for lowest excess mortality among European Nations. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparingdifferentinternationalmeasuresofexcessmortality/2022-12-20 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

ZeroGravitas 1y ago
Sweden's death are heavily front loaded though, 60% in the first year when Norway actually had negative excess deaths in that year. So roughly 14,000 years of life saved in Norway, even if they ended up dying within 2 years anyway.
- rogerrogerr 1y ago
  “Years of life saved” is the wrong metric - the one we need to optimize for is sum quality-of-life * years across the population. We stole a few years of young people’s _highest_ quality of life, and in many cases saddled them with long term academic deficits, to save a few years of older people’s lowest quality of life. It’s a morally reprehensible decision when looked at from a high level.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    We stole a few years you from Australia? :) my kid’s school was closed for a quarter. and the rest of it is on parents, my kid actually progressed academically during covid and socialized with numerous other kids. was not ideal but also not some earth-shaddering thing if a kid had right parents
  - ben_w 1y ago
    My memories of school were of nothing special happening there. I wouldn't have missed anything if I'd needed to learn remotely. And that was an era before smartphones and social connection via multiplayer games and everyone (not just me) being terminally online. As an adult, I even found my quality of life actually went up during the lockdowns.