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6 days ago there was the Hegseth article regarding this being hotly debated in here and it’s a great example of not having all the facts before jumping to concl

6 days ago there was the Hegseth article regarding this being hotly debated in here and it’s a great example of not having all the facts before jumping to conclusions. Part of the debate was regarding archiving of messages which now apparently there is a way to archive Signal messages automatically. Huh who would have figured

ceejayoz 2y ago
Great motivated thinking, but wrong. It would appear they're using this app now, post-incident, because they got in trouble. (And having messages with Vance, Gabbard, etc. be visible to the press pool camera is... not a great look for the guy who accidentally added a reporter.) https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/us/politics/cia-director-leaked-chat.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/us/politics/cia-director-... > All of the messages from a leaked group chat have been deleted from the phone of John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director, the agency said in a court filing.
- chrisco255 2y ago
  Those are just accusations from a 3rd party agency. They have no way of knowing if Ratcliffe archived the messages before deleting. Signal has been approved since the Biden admin. It was most likely already distributed with the Telemessage feature.
  - UnreachableCode 2y ago
    > Signal has been approved since the Biden admin. It was most likely already distributed with the Telemessage feature. How do you know this? Also I would not consider this a “feature”. We should assume they’re different apps, insofar as Telemessage can add whatever they please to the source
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      "One of the things I was briefed on very early … was by the CIA records management folks about the use of Signal as a permissible work use," Ratcliffe said during a March 25 Senate Intelligence Committee hearing (see 45:05). "It is. That is a practice that preceded the current administration to the Biden administration." https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/dni-director-gabbard-fbi-director-patel-and-other-national-security-officials-testfy-on-global-threats/657476 https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/dni-director...
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        Exhaling air through flappy mouth and throat parts is also permissible in the CIA. That doesn’t mean you won’t get in trouble if you flap them in a way that says “we bomb x at y o’clock” where uncleared people can hear.
        firesteelrain 2y ago
        Sure, but that’s the point-Signal is permitted; it’s the content that matters, not the medium. Ratcliffe's testimony confirms it’s been standard practice across administrations. It’s already approved in IC circles despite your claims it harms national security.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    “the agency said in a court filing” The agency is the CIA, to a court, saying the messages are gone.

ceejayoz 2y ago

Great motivated thinking, but wrong. It would appear they're using this app now, post-incident, because they got in trouble. (And having messages with Vance, Gabbard, etc. be visible to the press pool camera is... not a great look for the guy who accidentally added a reporter.) https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/us/politics/cia-director-leaked-chat.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/us/politics/cia-director-... > All of the messages from a leaked group chat have been deleted from the phone of John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director, the agency said in a court filing.

chrisco255 2y ago
Those are just accusations from a 3rd party agency. They have no way of knowing if Ratcliffe archived the messages before deleting. Signal has been approved since the Biden admin. It was most likely already distributed with the Telemessage feature.
- UnreachableCode 2y ago
  > Signal has been approved since the Biden admin. It was most likely already distributed with the Telemessage feature. How do you know this? Also I would not consider this a “feature”. We should assume they’re different apps, insofar as Telemessage can add whatever they please to the source
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    "One of the things I was briefed on very early … was by the CIA records management folks about the use of Signal as a permissible work use," Ratcliffe said during a March 25 Senate Intelligence Committee hearing (see 45:05). "It is. That is a practice that preceded the current administration to the Biden administration." https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/dni-director-gabbard-fbi-director-patel-and-other-national-security-officials-testfy-on-global-threats/657476 https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/dni-director...
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Exhaling air through flappy mouth and throat parts is also permissible in the CIA. That doesn’t mean you won’t get in trouble if you flap them in a way that says “we bomb x at y o’clock” where uncleared people can hear.
      - firesteelrain 2y ago
        Sure, but that’s the point-Signal is permitted; it’s the content that matters, not the medium. Ratcliffe's testimony confirms it’s been standard practice across administrations. It’s already approved in IC circles despite your claims it harms national security.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  “the agency said in a court filing” The agency is the CIA, to a court, saying the messages are gone.