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Theoretically, using zero knowledge proof for age verification is a great idea. Too bad that while the porn website you are visiting will not get your name fro

Theoretically, using zero knowledge proof for age verification is a great idea. Too bad that while the porn website you are visiting will not get your name from google, google will sell the fact that you visited that porn website to anyone who is interested...

arealaccount 1y ago
If you're using Chrome, which most people are, I'd assume this is the case anyway? Note - agree with your sentiment.
tmoertel 1y ago
> google will sell the fact that you visited that porn website to anyone who is interested. Has Google has actually done this? According to Google, they don't sell personal information: https://about.google/company-info/how-our-business-works/#:~:text=We%20don't%20sell%20your,ads%20based%20on%20your%20interests. https://about.google/company-info/how-our-business-works/#:~... I'm willing to believe they've broken this promise, but if you can point to some actual proof, I'd like to see it.
- kmeisthax 1y ago
  Google does not sell personal information, they rent it out. Targeted advertising and remarketing relies upon building up a huge dossier on each Internet user and then matching those dossiers to ad bids.
- 3984574 1y ago
  Look up real-time bidding. Some context: https://www.classaction.org/news/google-breaks-user-privacy-promises-billions-of-times-every-day-through-real-time-ad-auctions-class-action-says https://www.classaction.org/news/google-breaks-user-privacy-...
  - tmoertel 1y ago
    I read it. It doesn't seem to show that ”google will sell the fact that you visited that porn website to anyone who is interested.” What am I missing?
    - 3984574 1y ago
      From Google's OpenRTB spec (https://developers.google.com/authorized-buyers/rtb/openrtb-guide#site https://developers.google.com/authorized-buyers/rtb/openrtb-...): > Site > This object is present in the bid request when the impression will be rendered on a website rather than a non-browser application. Contains a "page" field: > URL of the page where the impression will be shown with URL parameters removed. EDIT: If you don't think that counts as personal info then that's that, just trying to prove GP's claim that Google will happily tell a bunch of advertisers that you're visiting a porn website.
      - ffsm8 1y ago
        According to that description, it only shows that someone has visited a porn website, not you. This kinda invalidats the claim that Google is selling this information about you
whimsicalism 1y ago
"sell the fact that xyz" can this phraseology die? this is not what these big companies do. they sell attention, not data.
- ajsnigrutin 1y ago
  They sell data too, if the governments wants the data, they even give it out for free.
- guerrilla 1y ago
  Wrong, they sell your activity too. Seems like your information on this topic may be significantly out of date.
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    how do they "sell your activity"
    - guerrilla 1y ago
      If you wanted to know, you would know. It's not exactly a secret. Here you go though: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-... > Real-time bidding is the process by which publishers auction off ad space in their apps or on their websites. In doing so, they share sensitive user data—including geolocation, device IDs, identifying cookies, and browsing history—with dozens or hundreds of different adtech companies.

arealaccount 1y ago

If you're using Chrome, which most people are, I'd assume this is the case anyway? Note - agree with your sentiment.

tmoertel 1y ago

> google will sell the fact that you visited that porn website to anyone who is interested. Has Google has actually done this? According to Google, they don't sell personal information: https://about.google/company-info/how-our-business-works/#:~:text=We%20don't%20sell%20your,ads%20based%20on%20your%20interests. https://about.google/company-info/how-our-business-works/#:~... I'm willing to believe they've broken this promise, but if you can point to some actual proof, I'd like to see it.

kmeisthax 1y ago
Google does not sell personal information, they rent it out. Targeted advertising and remarketing relies upon building up a huge dossier on each Internet user and then matching those dossiers to ad bids.
3984574 1y ago
Look up real-time bidding. Some context: https://www.classaction.org/news/google-breaks-user-privacy-promises-billions-of-times-every-day-through-real-time-ad-auctions-class-action-says https://www.classaction.org/news/google-breaks-user-privacy-...
- tmoertel 1y ago
  I read it. It doesn't seem to show that ”google will sell the fact that you visited that porn website to anyone who is interested.” What am I missing?
  - 3984574 1y ago
    From Google's OpenRTB spec (https://developers.google.com/authorized-buyers/rtb/openrtb-guide#site https://developers.google.com/authorized-buyers/rtb/openrtb-...): > Site > This object is present in the bid request when the impression will be rendered on a website rather than a non-browser application. Contains a "page" field: > URL of the page where the impression will be shown with URL parameters removed. EDIT: If you don't think that counts as personal info then that's that, just trying to prove GP's claim that Google will happily tell a bunch of advertisers that you're visiting a porn website.
    - ffsm8 1y ago
      According to that description, it only shows that someone has visited a porn website, not you. This kinda invalidats the claim that Google is selling this information about you

whimsicalism 1y ago

"sell the fact that xyz" can this phraseology die? this is not what these big companies do. they sell attention, not data.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago
They sell data too, if the governments wants the data, they even give it out for free.
guerrilla 1y ago
Wrong, they sell your activity too. Seems like your information on this topic may be significantly out of date.
- whimsicalism 1y ago
  how do they "sell your activity"
  - guerrilla 1y ago
    If you wanted to know, you would know. It's not exactly a secret. Here you go though: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-... > Real-time bidding is the process by which publishers auction off ad space in their apps or on their websites. In doing so, they share sensitive user data—including geolocation, device IDs, identifying cookies, and browsing history—with dozens or hundreds of different adtech companies.