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Was just thinking about it for my home. Googling showed that it's only for commercial applications now (like "request a quote" for a lightbulb). There is a goo

Was just thinking about it for my home. Googling showed that it's only for commercial applications now (like "request a quote" for a lightbulb). There is a good opportunity for a startup IMHO. With 100W PoE, one can daisy-chain 10 light bulbs on one cable (or put them on different pairs of wires within one cat6 cable). But what I really wanted is controllable devices, so that I could re-assign lights<->switches in my home hub. UPDATE: and you don't need an electrician license to work with low voltage.

somat 1y ago
A managed switch will allow you to power on/off specific ports. When I was looking at home automation systems and all the insanity found there. at one point I said "if I were to design a home automation system from scratch what would it look like?" my answer for the physical layer was poe and managed switches.
- baby_souffle 1y ago
  > A managed switch will allow you to power on/off specific ports. As somebody that's looked into this... yes, but. The contemporary light switch is instant. Within a few nanoseconds of your brain feeling the "click", you see the light. There's a noticeable latency from an API request to the switch's control plane which then talks to the power control which then turns power to the port off and then the light goes out. You have the additional delay of poe negotiation for the "turn on" operation, too.
  - somat 1y ago
    That is how I managed to talk myself out of investing in a home automation setup, none of the incompatible systems felt good and more importantly, they were all worse than having a physical switch I can toggle.
    - doubleg72 1y ago
      Lutron offers a variety of styles that work near instantly. I’ve been using them for years.
  - lazide 1y ago
    It really isn’t- 20-30ms minimum for most switches/lights, on average. Incandescent likely a bit more. Which is still ‘instant’, but with some non-ridiculous implementation, also easy to do with a ‘smart home’. Of course most implementations are pretty ridiculous, so there does that idea.
monster_truck 1y ago
You would likely need a low voltage license to permanently install something like this in most states. There are standardized limits on how many of these can be run in parallel due to heat constraints which is one of the thresholds that necessitates a license
ARob109 1y ago
I keep telling myself one day I’ll design a PoE DC to 120VAC adapter board so I can run PoE to a standard outlet box or light switch.
Gibbon1 1y ago
Yeah you get it. What triggered it for me is there is a PoE standard for automotive that can deliver 50W over a single twisted pair. If you bumped that to 125 to 150W then it would yes be great for residential for all the reasons you can think of. Cheap cable, crimp connectors. No license required to install. Low voltage and generally much safer than 120V and especially 240V. Consider with power negotiation a default max power of a few watts which isn't going to start fires. Wanna replace a light fixture? Unscrew the old one, unplug it. Plug the new one in and screw it back on. Also imagine kid safe outlets that are standard world wide.

somat 1y ago

A managed switch will allow you to power on/off specific ports. When I was looking at home automation systems and all the insanity found there. at one point I said "if I were to design a home automation system from scratch what would it look like?" my answer for the physical layer was poe and managed switches.

baby_souffle 1y ago
> A managed switch will allow you to power on/off specific ports. As somebody that's looked into this... yes, but. The contemporary light switch is instant. Within a few nanoseconds of your brain feeling the "click", you see the light. There's a noticeable latency from an API request to the switch's control plane which then talks to the power control which then turns power to the port off and then the light goes out. You have the additional delay of poe negotiation for the "turn on" operation, too.
- somat 1y ago
  That is how I managed to talk myself out of investing in a home automation setup, none of the incompatible systems felt good and more importantly, they were all worse than having a physical switch I can toggle.
  - doubleg72 1y ago
    Lutron offers a variety of styles that work near instantly. I’ve been using them for years.
- lazide 1y ago
  It really isn’t- 20-30ms minimum for most switches/lights, on average. Incandescent likely a bit more. Which is still ‘instant’, but with some non-ridiculous implementation, also easy to do with a ‘smart home’. Of course most implementations are pretty ridiculous, so there does that idea.

monster_truck 1y ago

You would likely need a low voltage license to permanently install something like this in most states. There are standardized limits on how many of these can be run in parallel due to heat constraints which is one of the thresholds that necessitates a license

ARob109 1y ago

I keep telling myself one day I’ll design a PoE DC to 120VAC adapter board so I can run PoE to a standard outlet box or light switch.

Gibbon1 1y ago

Yeah you get it. What triggered it for me is there is a PoE standard for automotive that can deliver 50W over a single twisted pair. If you bumped that to 125 to 150W then it would yes be great for residential for all the reasons you can think of. Cheap cable, crimp connectors. No license required to install. Low voltage and generally much safer than 120V and especially 240V. Consider with power negotiation a default max power of a few watts which isn't going to start fires. Wanna replace a light fixture? Unscrew the old one, unplug it. Plug the new one in and screw it back on. Also imagine kid safe outlets that are standard world wide.