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I disagree. They can walk and chew gum, do both things at once. And this practical stuff is very important. I've been using the Atlassian MCP for nearly a mont

by atonse 1y ago

I disagree. They can walk and chew gum, do both things at once. And this practical stuff is very important. I've been using the Atlassian MCP for nearly a month now, and it's completely changed (and eliminated) the feeling of having an overwhelming backlog. I can have it do things like "find all the tickets related to profile editing and combine them into one epic" where it works perfectly. Or "help me prioritize the 15 tickets assigned to me this sprint" and it'll actually go through and suggest "maybe you can do these two tickets first since they seem smaller, then do this big one" – i haven't hooked it up to my calendar yet. But I'd love for it to suggest things like "do this one ticket that requires a lot of heads down time on wednesday since you don't have any meetings. I can create a block on your calendar so that nobody will schedule a meeting then" Those are all superhuman things that can be done with MCP and a smart model. I've defined rules in cursor that say "when I ask you to mark something ready for test, change the status and assign it to <x person>, and leave a comment summarizing the changes" If you look at my JIRA comments now, you'd wonder how I had so much time to write such thorough comments. I don't, Cursor and whatever model is doing it for me. It's been an absolute game changer. MCP is going to be what the App store was to mobile. Yes you can get by without it, but actually hooking into all your daily tool is when this stuff gets insanely valuable in a practical sense.

OJFord 1y ago
> If you look at my JIRA comments now, you'd wonder how I had so much time to write such thorough comments. I don't, Cursor and whatever model is doing it for me. How do your colleagues feel about it?
- warkdarrior 1y ago
  My colleagues' LLM assistants think that my LLM assistant leaves great JIRA comments.
  - atonse 1y ago
    haha! Funny enough I do have to tell the LLMs to leave concise comments. I also don’t want to read too many unnecessary words.
    - sdesol 1y ago
      Joking aside, I do believe we are moving into a era where we have LLMs write for each other and humans have a dedicated TL;DR. This includes code with a lot of comments or design styles that might seem obvious or stupid but can help another LLM.
  - eknkc 1y ago
    Why use JIRA at this point then? Can’t we point an LLM to a sqlite db and tell it to treat it as an issue tracking db and have everyone do the same. The service (jira) would materialize inside the LLMs then. Why even use abstractions like tickets etc. Ask LLM what to do.
    - zoogeny 1y ago
      JIRA is more than just ticket management for most big orgs. It provides a reporting interface for business with long-term planning capabilities. A lot of the annoying things that devs have to do in JIRA is often there to make those functions more valuable. In other cases it is a compliance thing as well. Some certifications necessary for enterprise sales require audit trails for all code changes, from the bug report to the code commit. JIRA provides the integration and reporting necessary for that. Unless you can provide the same visibility, long-term planning features and compliance aspects of JIRA on top of you sqlite db, you won't compete with JIRA. But if you do add those things on top of SQLite and LLMs, you probably have a solid business idea. But you'd first need to understand JIRA well enough to know why they are there in the first place.
      - falcor84 1y ago
        Exactly, applying the principle of Chesterton's Fence [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FENCE https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FENCE
- atonse 1y ago
  Well I had half a mind to not tell them to see what they’d say, but I also was excited to show everyone so they can also be empowered with it. One of them said “yeah I was wondering cuz you never write that much” - as a leader, I actually don’t set a good example of how to leave quality JIRA comments. And my view with all these things is that I have to lead by example, not by orders. With the help of these kinds of tools, we can improve the quality of these comments. And I wouldn’t expect others to write them manually, more that I wanted to show that everyone’s use of JIRA on the team can improve.
  - OJFord 1y ago
    Notice they commented on the quantity, not the quality? I don't think it's good leadership to unleash drivel on an organisation, have people waste time reading and perhaps replying to it, thinking it's something important and thoughtful coming from atonse. Good thing you told them though, now they can ignore it.
    - stefan_ 1y ago
      It sure seems like the next evolution of Jira though. Designed to waste everyones time, picked by "leaders" that don't use it. Why not spam tickets with LLM drivel? They are perfect to pick up on all the inconsistency in the PM insanity driven custom designed workflow - and comment on it tagging a bunch of stray people seen in the ticket history, the universal exit hatch.
    - atonse 1y ago
      In another comment I mentioned that I ask for it to be concise. Also, a lot of the kinds of comments are things like, when you combine a bunch of tickets, leaving comments on the cancelled tickets to show why they were cancelled. In the past, that info simply wouldn’t be there.
  - sensanaty 1y ago
    Someone please shoot me if my PM ever gets this idea in his head of using LLM slop to spam tickets with en masse. There's nothing I hate more than people sending me their AI messages, be it in a ticket or a PR or even on Slack. I'm forced to engage and spend effort on something it took them all of 3 seconds to generate without even proofreading what they're sending me says. The amount of times I've had to ask 11 clarifying questions because their message has 11 contradictions within itself is maddening to the highest degree. The worst is when I call out one of these numerous contradictions, and the reply is "oh haha, stupid Claude :)", makes my blood boil and at the same time amazes me that someone has so little pride and respect for their fellow humans to do crap like that.
zoogeny 1y ago
Honestly, that backlog management idea is probably the first time an MCP actually sounded appealing to me. I'm not in that world at the moment, but I've been the lead on several projects where the backlog has became a dumping ground of years of neglect. You end up with this tiered backlog thing where one level of backlog gets too big so you create a second tier of backlog for the stuff you are actually going to work on. Pretty soon you end up with duplicates in the second tier backlog for items already in the base level backlog since no one even looks at that old backlog anymore. I've done a lot of tidy up myself when I inherit this kind of mess, just closing tickets we definitely will never get to, de-duping, adding context when available, grouping into epics, tagging with relevant "tech-debt", "security", "bug", "automation", etc. But when there are 100s of tickets it is a slog. Having an LLM do this makes so much sense.
organsnyder 1y ago
I have Claude hooked up to our project management system, GitHub, and my calendar (among other things). It's already proving extremely useful for various project management tasks.

by atonse 1y ago

OJFord 1y ago

> If you look at my JIRA comments now, you'd wonder how I had so much time to write such thorough comments. I don't, Cursor and whatever model is doing it for me. How do your colleagues feel about it?

warkdarrior 1y ago
My colleagues' LLM assistants think that my LLM assistant leaves great JIRA comments.
- atonse 1y ago
  haha! Funny enough I do have to tell the LLMs to leave concise comments. I also don’t want to read too many unnecessary words.
  - sdesol 1y ago
    Joking aside, I do believe we are moving into a era where we have LLMs write for each other and humans have a dedicated TL;DR. This includes code with a lot of comments or design styles that might seem obvious or stupid but can help another LLM.
- eknkc 1y ago
  Why use JIRA at this point then? Can’t we point an LLM to a sqlite db and tell it to treat it as an issue tracking db and have everyone do the same. The service (jira) would materialize inside the LLMs then. Why even use abstractions like tickets etc. Ask LLM what to do.
  - zoogeny 1y ago
    JIRA is more than just ticket management for most big orgs. It provides a reporting interface for business with long-term planning capabilities. A lot of the annoying things that devs have to do in JIRA is often there to make those functions more valuable. In other cases it is a compliance thing as well. Some certifications necessary for enterprise sales require audit trails for all code changes, from the bug report to the code commit. JIRA provides the integration and reporting necessary for that. Unless you can provide the same visibility, long-term planning features and compliance aspects of JIRA on top of you sqlite db, you won't compete with JIRA. But if you do add those things on top of SQLite and LLMs, you probably have a solid business idea. But you'd first need to understand JIRA well enough to know why they are there in the first place.
    - falcor84 1y ago
      Exactly, applying the principle of Chesterton's Fence [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FENCE https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FENCE
atonse 1y ago
Well I had half a mind to not tell them to see what they’d say, but I also was excited to show everyone so they can also be empowered with it. One of them said “yeah I was wondering cuz you never write that much” - as a leader, I actually don’t set a good example of how to leave quality JIRA comments. And my view with all these things is that I have to lead by example, not by orders. With the help of these kinds of tools, we can improve the quality of these comments. And I wouldn’t expect others to write them manually, more that I wanted to show that everyone’s use of JIRA on the team can improve.
- OJFord 1y ago
  Notice they commented on the quantity, not the quality? I don't think it's good leadership to unleash drivel on an organisation, have people waste time reading and perhaps replying to it, thinking it's something important and thoughtful coming from atonse. Good thing you told them though, now they can ignore it.
  - stefan_ 1y ago
    It sure seems like the next evolution of Jira though. Designed to waste everyones time, picked by "leaders" that don't use it. Why not spam tickets with LLM drivel? They are perfect to pick up on all the inconsistency in the PM insanity driven custom designed workflow - and comment on it tagging a bunch of stray people seen in the ticket history, the universal exit hatch.
  - atonse 1y ago
    In another comment I mentioned that I ask for it to be concise. Also, a lot of the kinds of comments are things like, when you combine a bunch of tickets, leaving comments on the cancelled tickets to show why they were cancelled. In the past, that info simply wouldn’t be there.
- sensanaty 1y ago
  Someone please shoot me if my PM ever gets this idea in his head of using LLM slop to spam tickets with en masse. There's nothing I hate more than people sending me their AI messages, be it in a ticket or a PR or even on Slack. I'm forced to engage and spend effort on something it took them all of 3 seconds to generate without even proofreading what they're sending me says. The amount of times I've had to ask 11 clarifying questions because their message has 11 contradictions within itself is maddening to the highest degree. The worst is when I call out one of these numerous contradictions, and the reply is "oh haha, stupid Claude :)", makes my blood boil and at the same time amazes me that someone has so little pride and respect for their fellow humans to do crap like that.

zoogeny 1y ago

Honestly, that backlog management idea is probably the first time an MCP actually sounded appealing to me. I'm not in that world at the moment, but I've been the lead on several projects where the backlog has became a dumping ground of years of neglect. You end up with this tiered backlog thing where one level of backlog gets too big so you create a second tier of backlog for the stuff you are actually going to work on. Pretty soon you end up with duplicates in the second tier backlog for items already in the base level backlog since no one even looks at that old backlog anymore. I've done a lot of tidy up myself when I inherit this kind of mess, just closing tickets we definitely will never get to, de-duping, adding context when available, grouping into epics, tagging with relevant "tech-debt", "security", "bug", "automation", etc. But when there are 100s of tickets it is a slog. Having an LLM do this makes so much sense.

organsnyder 1y ago

I have Claude hooked up to our project management system, GitHub, and my calendar (among other things). It's already proving extremely useful for various project management tasks.