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I will say that hiring for remote jobs has gotten to be a gigantic time waste lately. Even though even moderate background checking can filter these candidates

by andy99 1y ago

I will say that hiring for remote jobs has gotten to be a gigantic time waste lately. Even though even moderate background checking can filter these candidates out, it's quite time consuming and with the rise of generative AI... Good. I hope the whole hiring process gets blown up. The root cause of this is transactional hiring. Companies treat applicants like commodities, and now bad actors have found out how to game it.

herculity275 1y ago
Do you want the industry to go back to only hiring from the top ~20 schools and by word-of-mouth networking? Coz that's the only viable alternative to the current interview process.
- antisthenes 1y ago
  > Do you want to the industry to go back to hiring from the top ~20 schools and by word-of-mouth networking? This never stopped and is still the case for "good" jobs btw.
  - herculity275 1y ago
    Depends on what your definition of "good jobs" is but I know plenty of people from no name unis in third world countries who landed well paying jobs in FAANG thanks to the current process.
    - tough 1y ago
      He means their bosses are from top 20 schools and didnt get hired because of their skills but their status
dilyevsky 1y ago
If you think this is going to lead to better treatment of candidates in the industry then i got really bad news for you
mingus88 1y ago
Hate to say it but jobs are commodities for the employee too. Why would it be any different the other way around? So many roles are basically interchangeable and I’ll choose whichever one looks best on my resume or gives me some other tangible benefit. And I am prepared to bounce as soon as my vesting schedule drops. We all game this system too. The days of us loyally working at any firm for 20 years, singing the corporate cheer songs and retiring with a pension are stuff of a different age.
bri3d 1y ago
> I hope the whole hiring process gets blown up. I can't see how the fake-candidate epidemic blows the hiring process up in anything but a candidate-hostile direction. With the open hiring market becoming more inefficient, companies will move more towards hiring through networking and vetted sources (select college job boards etc.) rather than the open market. In situations where they evaluate candidates from open market listings, companies will now have invasive proof-of-identity red tape earlier and earlier in the funnel (for example, background checks prior to application rather than offer in places where that's legal). Plus, look forward to overly clever hiring panels introducing annoying "trap" questions and weird hoops like this article alluded to - I hope you're ready to review local restaurants and pick up random stuff in the room during your interview!

by andy99 1y ago

herculity275 1y ago

Do you want the industry to go back to only hiring from the top ~20 schools and by word-of-mouth networking? Coz that's the only viable alternative to the current interview process.

antisthenes 1y ago
> Do you want to the industry to go back to hiring from the top ~20 schools and by word-of-mouth networking? This never stopped and is still the case for "good" jobs btw.
- herculity275 1y ago
  Depends on what your definition of "good jobs" is but I know plenty of people from no name unis in third world countries who landed well paying jobs in FAANG thanks to the current process.
  - tough 1y ago
    He means their bosses are from top 20 schools and didnt get hired because of their skills but their status

dilyevsky 1y ago

If you think this is going to lead to better treatment of candidates in the industry then i got really bad news for you

mingus88 1y ago

Hate to say it but jobs are commodities for the employee too. Why would it be any different the other way around? So many roles are basically interchangeable and I’ll choose whichever one looks best on my resume or gives me some other tangible benefit. And I am prepared to bounce as soon as my vesting schedule drops. We all game this system too. The days of us loyally working at any firm for 20 years, singing the corporate cheer songs and retiring with a pension are stuff of a different age.

bri3d 1y ago

> I hope the whole hiring process gets blown up. I can't see how the fake-candidate epidemic blows the hiring process up in anything but a candidate-hostile direction. With the open hiring market becoming more inefficient, companies will move more towards hiring through networking and vetted sources (select college job boards etc.) rather than the open market. In situations where they evaluate candidates from open market listings, companies will now have invasive proof-of-identity red tape earlier and earlier in the funnel (for example, background checks prior to application rather than offer in places where that's legal). Plus, look forward to overly clever hiring panels introducing annoying "trap" questions and weird hoops like this article alluded to - I hope you're ready to review local restaurants and pick up random stuff in the room during your interview!