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Why would PaaS providers switch back to offering Redis? They've clearly all already invested a lot in Valkey (AWS, GCP, Heroku).

antirez 1y ago
AWS, GCP, surely are invested: they paid for ValKey, they forked to avoid doing revenue sharing with Redis in any way :D IMHO it's a matter of what the community does, and it, in turn, this depends on how well we are able to develop Redis. It's not just licensing and hyper-scalers, it's also a matter of development quality and direction. For instance, now in Redis you can find substantial more stuff not available in ValKey, including hash items expires, Vector Sets that are very useful for a number of things, the probabilistic data structures just introduced with Redis 8, and so forth.
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lotharcable 1y ago
If Redis is superior then sticking with Valkey would just be throwing good money after bad. Hopefully those companies are competent enough to understand the concept of sunk costs. Maybe Valkey has served its purpose in pressuring Redis into playing ball. Just answering "why would". Whether or not Redis is better then Valkey or if it would be worth it to switch back is not something I know.
kiitos 1y ago
AWS and GCP offer valkey-based versions of products that are typically based on Redis, but those versions are currently, generally, preview-grade, and statistically zero customers are using them. They still offer the original, Redis-based versions of those products, which, statistically, 100% of their customers are using.
- reconditerose 1y ago
  Do you have data to back up your claims? I see a lot of customer claims for Valkey here, https://aws.amazon.com/elasticache/customers/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticache/customers/. Neither of the AWS or GCP offerings are in preview.
- ziddoap 1y ago
  >and statistically zero customers are using them You've said this twice now, but not provided any data or even a hand-wave to a possible source so that others could go get the data and look at it. If it's statistically something, where are the stats?
  - kiitos 1y ago
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    - ziddoap 1y ago
      >My claim that statistically zero (cloud provider) customers are using valkey should, I sincerely hope, be self-evident. I have no idea what the actual stats are. But no, I don't find your "statistically 0%" to be self-evident, especially in light of the other comments and links in this thread, and what I've heard elsewhere. I was hoping, since you presented it so confidently, that you had something more than "trust me". In another comment you say you have evidence of marketshare, maybe you could post that?
      - joshstrange 1y ago
        Their stats are "I asked an LLM", no, that's not joke, see this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43860256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43860256
        kiitos 1y ago
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        ziddoap 1y ago
        If your stats aren't from "trust me" or an LLM, can you please just post where you are getting your market share stats from?
        skywhopper 1y ago

antirez 1y ago

AWS, GCP, surely are invested: they paid for ValKey, they forked to avoid doing revenue sharing with Redis in any way :D IMHO it's a matter of what the community does, and it, in turn, this depends on how well we are able to develop Redis. It's not just licensing and hyper-scalers, it's also a matter of development quality and direction. For instance, now in Redis you can find substantial more stuff not available in ValKey, including hash items expires, Vector Sets that are very useful for a number of things, the probabilistic data structures just introduced with Redis 8, and so forth.

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lotharcable 1y ago

If Redis is superior then sticking with Valkey would just be throwing good money after bad. Hopefully those companies are competent enough to understand the concept of sunk costs. Maybe Valkey has served its purpose in pressuring Redis into playing ball. Just answering "why would". Whether or not Redis is better then Valkey or if it would be worth it to switch back is not something I know.

kiitos 1y ago

AWS and GCP offer valkey-based versions of products that are typically based on Redis, but those versions are currently, generally, preview-grade, and statistically zero customers are using them. They still offer the original, Redis-based versions of those products, which, statistically, 100% of their customers are using.

reconditerose 1y ago
Do you have data to back up your claims? I see a lot of customer claims for Valkey here, https://aws.amazon.com/elasticache/customers/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticache/customers/. Neither of the AWS or GCP offerings are in preview.
ziddoap 1y ago
>and statistically zero customers are using them You've said this twice now, but not provided any data or even a hand-wave to a possible source so that others could go get the data and look at it. If it's statistically something, where are the stats?
- kiitos 1y ago
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  - ziddoap 1y ago
    >My claim that statistically zero (cloud provider) customers are using valkey should, I sincerely hope, be self-evident. I have no idea what the actual stats are. But no, I don't find your "statistically 0%" to be self-evident, especially in light of the other comments and links in this thread, and what I've heard elsewhere. I was hoping, since you presented it so confidently, that you had something more than "trust me". In another comment you say you have evidence of marketshare, maybe you could post that?
    - joshstrange 1y ago
      Their stats are "I asked an LLM", no, that's not joke, see this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43860256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43860256
      - kiitos 1y ago
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        ziddoap 1y ago
        If your stats aren't from "trust me" or an LLM, can you please just post where you are getting your market share stats from?
        skywhopper 1y ago