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It’s obvious, you just have to look around. Please don’t tell us not to believe our eyes because we don’t have a double blind study.

rco8786 1y ago
It's not obvious to me. I look around and nobody I know is outsourcing anything anymore than they were 5, 10, 20 years ago. Nor is it obvious that outsourced products are inherently shittier than something made domestically. You can't just make a blanket statement about the entire economy and say "it's obvious". We live in a big world. Your perception is not my perception. That's why data is so important.
- smileson2 1y ago
  Most mid sized companies I’ve worked with are nearshoring almost everything or in the process of doing so It doesn’t bite me as much due to seniority but it’s still happening Tbh if I was younger I’d just try to relocate myself seems fun
  - antisthenes 1y ago
    What exactly is nearshoring? Canada/Mexico? SLatAM? What is "mid-sized" ? There's so much vague descriptors in your post as to be almost entirely meaningless.
- fzeroracer 1y ago
  Do you work in the tech industry? In what part? Because from personal experience I've seen loads of companies wind down and remove internal teams like internal QA in favor of outsourcing to other regions, for example. It's made my job extremely annoying because I can't just tap the shoulder of my nearby QA engineer and see what's up, I have to wait an entire day for them to get the next build and then deal with the wrong stuff they've reported.
jjulius 1y ago
That's great that it's obvious to you! To some of us, not so much. I'd love to hear more about what it is, specifically, that your eyes are seeing, so that I may possibly shift my perspective. Thanks! :)
- happytoexplain 1y ago
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  - jjulius 1y ago
    Thanks for the feedback, I suppose I can see how it reads that way, but I assure you it wasn't intended as such. I simply want to politely ask them to expand on their perspective. Kinda like what you just asked others to do.[1] [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43859330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43859330
    - happytoexplain 1y ago
      Hmm, thanks, but I don't think I can read your post any other way. Sorry, it's hard to interpret the tone as unintended, however, maybe other adjectives could be argued instead of the two I chose. Regarding my other comment - I'm not sure what you mean. I wasn't trying to politely ask that commenter to expand on what they said. I was criticizing their attitude and also their uncharitable use of the "show me the data" ultimatum.
      - jjulius 1y ago
        What I did in my first post was try to respect the fact that that may be their view of things and validate their perspective, then kindly explain that I don't see it, and would be open to hearing more about what they see. I could perhaps see how the "Thanks! :)" unintentionally adds a layer of sarcasm, but it's kind of a bummer if that's the case. Regarding your other comment, I know, and that's exactly my point. You had a concern about the way that the other post framed the user's opinion. My comment attempted to do exactly what you're asking for - approach the user with a positive attitude and ask for more data without vilifying them (eg, "[making] people sound like assholes"). Ah, well. Enjoy your day. :)

rco8786 1y ago

It's not obvious to me. I look around and nobody I know is outsourcing anything anymore than they were 5, 10, 20 years ago. Nor is it obvious that outsourced products are inherently shittier than something made domestically. You can't just make a blanket statement about the entire economy and say "it's obvious". We live in a big world. Your perception is not my perception. That's why data is so important.

smileson2 1y ago
Most mid sized companies I’ve worked with are nearshoring almost everything or in the process of doing so It doesn’t bite me as much due to seniority but it’s still happening Tbh if I was younger I’d just try to relocate myself seems fun
- antisthenes 1y ago
  What exactly is nearshoring? Canada/Mexico? SLatAM? What is "mid-sized" ? There's so much vague descriptors in your post as to be almost entirely meaningless.
fzeroracer 1y ago
Do you work in the tech industry? In what part? Because from personal experience I've seen loads of companies wind down and remove internal teams like internal QA in favor of outsourcing to other regions, for example. It's made my job extremely annoying because I can't just tap the shoulder of my nearby QA engineer and see what's up, I have to wait an entire day for them to get the next build and then deal with the wrong stuff they've reported.

jjulius 1y ago

That's great that it's obvious to you! To some of us, not so much. I'd love to hear more about what it is, specifically, that your eyes are seeing, so that I may possibly shift my perspective. Thanks! :)

happytoexplain 1y ago
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- jjulius 1y ago
  Thanks for the feedback, I suppose I can see how it reads that way, but I assure you it wasn't intended as such. I simply want to politely ask them to expand on their perspective. Kinda like what you just asked others to do.[1] [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43859330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43859330
  - happytoexplain 1y ago
    Hmm, thanks, but I don't think I can read your post any other way. Sorry, it's hard to interpret the tone as unintended, however, maybe other adjectives could be argued instead of the two I chose. Regarding my other comment - I'm not sure what you mean. I wasn't trying to politely ask that commenter to expand on what they said. I was criticizing their attitude and also their uncharitable use of the "show me the data" ultimatum.
    - jjulius 1y ago
      What I did in my first post was try to respect the fact that that may be their view of things and validate their perspective, then kindly explain that I don't see it, and would be open to hearing more about what they see. I could perhaps see how the "Thanks! :)" unintentionally adds a layer of sarcasm, but it's kind of a bummer if that's the case. Regarding your other comment, I know, and that's exactly my point. You had a concern about the way that the other post framed the user's opinion. My comment attempted to do exactly what you're asking for - approach the user with a positive attitude and ask for more data without vilifying them (eg, "[making] people sound like assholes"). Ah, well. Enjoy your day. :)