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> Judging by political positioning, cook’s donation to trump’s inauguration didn’t sit well with the fanbase. On the other hand, it may have saved his company

> Judging by political positioning, cook’s donation to trump’s inauguration didn’t sit well with the fanbase. On the other hand, it may have saved his company billions on tariffs.

leptons 1y ago
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- rad_gruchalski 1y ago
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  - intothemild 1y ago
    Lately he's been rather sour... Like a Granny Smith.
    - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
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jwilber 1y ago
Only 100 days on and we celebrate open crony capitalism as a smart business decision.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  It is a smart business decision. Don’t blame Apple for operating within the environment that the US voters voted for. The US knew exactly what it was getting - said as American citizen.
  - okanat 1y ago
    Oh yeah. Don't blame all the German companies that used slave labor in concentration camps either. Unhinged capitalism is a mind disease that only ends up in fascism.
    - JustExAWS 1y ago
      Right, because showing up for a photo opp and kissing up to the person in charge is the same as genocide. See Godwin’s law. This is the country that the people wanted and the demographics who voted for it are going to be hurt the most. It’s like if the Jews voted for Hitler if you want to use that analogy.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        No, I think it's an appropriate "slippery slope" comparison. Hacker News has insisted, for years, vehemently, that Apple is not abusing monopoly power. You can search every single DMA/DOJ threads comment history and end up with the same conclusion. They were "the good guys" even when they were explaining away the Butterfly keyboard, CPU throttling, on-device scanning or arbitrarily blocking competition. In the face of absolute madness, Hacker News was unable to admit they bet on the wrong horse. So here we are, watching Apple execs lie under oath. And Hacker News is still jumping up to "uhm aktually, shareholders really like crony capitalism" to once again defend Apple now that they've become indefensible. This is the tech industry's volkssturm. An unwinnable fight in hopeless conditions, sabotaged solely by poor leadership.
        scarface_74 1y ago
        Absolutely no one gave Apple a pass for the butterfly keyboard. You can look back at Jason Snell’s “Apple report card” where he sends surveys to 40+ people in the Apple punditry ecosystem during those years and Apple was derided by everyone. No one gave Apple a pass for on device scanning or the piss poor Johnny Ive inspired thin laptops that removed ports and that over heated during the latter x86 days. Everyone was glad to see Apple walk back some of his bad decisions during the last generation of x86 laptops. People were complaining in real time. It’s not just shareholders. None of the 70% of iPhone users or 30% of Android users would be happy to see their phones go up in price by hundreds of dollars because of 145% tariffs (not exaggeration). And it’s an appropriate “slippery slope” that Apple is going to go from kissing up to Trump to mass genocide?
  - jwilber 1y ago
    I’m making no judgment as to whether or not it’s smart. Just an observation on the state of affairs. I do think a zeitgeist where it being openly done is applauded as smart is a sad state of the country.
  - tripzilch 1y ago
    but I do actually believe that corporations taking part in and profiting from corruption/etc are just as much to blame as the governments that let it happen, as are the people/voters unless you somehow think that corruption is morally neutral and only "bad" because there's laws against it?
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      Who do you think would have ended up paying the 145% tarriffs - Apple and Android phone sellers or consumers? This is all on US voters.
      - tripzilch 1y ago
        Okay, sure. And while I understand and share your frustrations with the outcome of recent US elections, democracy is a bad proxy for morality, or to put it bluntly: If 9 out of 10 people voted for gang rape, it's still wrong for a multi national corporation to take advantage of that.
        scarface_74 1y ago
        I’m very well aware of the tyranny of the majority. My still living parents grew up in the Jim Crow south. Everything they are doing now to demonize immigrants and LGBT they did in the 80s with “welfare queens” and “Willy Horton”. The difference is that I don’t expect any better.

> Judging by political positioning, cook’s donation to trump’s inauguration didn’t sit well with the fanbase. On the other hand, it may have saved his company billions on tariffs.

leptons 1y ago

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rad_gruchalski 1y ago
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- intothemild 1y ago
  Lately he's been rather sour... Like a Granny Smith.
  - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
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jwilber 1y ago

Only 100 days on and we celebrate open crony capitalism as a smart business decision.

scarface_74 1y ago
It is a smart business decision. Don’t blame Apple for operating within the environment that the US voters voted for. The US knew exactly what it was getting - said as American citizen.
- okanat 1y ago
  Oh yeah. Don't blame all the German companies that used slave labor in concentration camps either. Unhinged capitalism is a mind disease that only ends up in fascism.
  - JustExAWS 1y ago
    Right, because showing up for a photo opp and kissing up to the person in charge is the same as genocide. See Godwin’s law. This is the country that the people wanted and the demographics who voted for it are going to be hurt the most. It’s like if the Jews voted for Hitler if you want to use that analogy.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      No, I think it's an appropriate "slippery slope" comparison. Hacker News has insisted, for years, vehemently, that Apple is not abusing monopoly power. You can search every single DMA/DOJ threads comment history and end up with the same conclusion. They were "the good guys" even when they were explaining away the Butterfly keyboard, CPU throttling, on-device scanning or arbitrarily blocking competition. In the face of absolute madness, Hacker News was unable to admit they bet on the wrong horse. So here we are, watching Apple execs lie under oath. And Hacker News is still jumping up to "uhm aktually, shareholders really like crony capitalism" to once again defend Apple now that they've become indefensible. This is the tech industry's volkssturm. An unwinnable fight in hopeless conditions, sabotaged solely by poor leadership.
      - scarface_74 1y ago
        Absolutely no one gave Apple a pass for the butterfly keyboard. You can look back at Jason Snell’s “Apple report card” where he sends surveys to 40+ people in the Apple punditry ecosystem during those years and Apple was derided by everyone. No one gave Apple a pass for on device scanning or the piss poor Johnny Ive inspired thin laptops that removed ports and that over heated during the latter x86 days. Everyone was glad to see Apple walk back some of his bad decisions during the last generation of x86 laptops. People were complaining in real time. It’s not just shareholders. None of the 70% of iPhone users or 30% of Android users would be happy to see their phones go up in price by hundreds of dollars because of 145% tariffs (not exaggeration). And it’s an appropriate “slippery slope” that Apple is going to go from kissing up to Trump to mass genocide?
- jwilber 1y ago
  I’m making no judgment as to whether or not it’s smart. Just an observation on the state of affairs. I do think a zeitgeist where it being openly done is applauded as smart is a sad state of the country.
- tripzilch 1y ago
  but I do actually believe that corporations taking part in and profiting from corruption/etc are just as much to blame as the governments that let it happen, as are the people/voters unless you somehow think that corruption is morally neutral and only "bad" because there's laws against it?
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Who do you think would have ended up paying the 145% tarriffs - Apple and Android phone sellers or consumers? This is all on US voters.
    - tripzilch 1y ago
      Okay, sure. And while I understand and share your frustrations with the outcome of recent US elections, democracy is a bad proxy for morality, or to put it bluntly: If 9 out of 10 people voted for gang rape, it's still wrong for a multi national corporation to take advantage of that.
      - scarface_74 1y ago
        I’m very well aware of the tyranny of the majority. My still living parents grew up in the Jim Crow south. Everything they are doing now to demonize immigrants and LGBT they did in the 80s with “welfare queens” and “Willy Horton”. The difference is that I don’t expect any better.