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These ARE the same slow panels. The high refresh rates are basically done with compromises on quality during refresh. Large eInk panels are expensive. Just look

These ARE the same slow panels. The high refresh rates are basically done with compromises on quality during refresh. Large eInk panels are expensive. Just look at how much a 13" eInk device is vs. 10" or 7" or 6". This is a whole level over 13". If you are going to use these on a computer at all you need some sort of high refresh mode. Things like scrolling and typing are just way too annoying without it.

qwerty456127 1y ago
> If you are going to use these on a computer at all you need some sort of high refresh mode. Things like scrolling and typing are just way too annoying without it. I hate scrolling and hardly ever scroll really - I just use multiple vertical displays to fit every page fully, only switching pages. Surely this whole discussion thread can't be fit in a screen but I'm perfectly comfortable "scrolling" it with PgDn. I'm used to slow-response typing (waiting for seconds before a word I typed appears when using modern software on old PCs). In fact I don't even look at the screen when I type until I finish a sentence - despite typing fairly fast I have a habit of looking at the keyboard. I don't mean this is a right way to type yet it proves seeing characters displayed immediately is not essential.
- goosedragons 1y ago
  I touch type too but the lag is very much there. Correcting a typo is difficult because unless you're perfectly counting key presses you don't know where the cursor is.
  - qwerty456127 1y ago
    Sure, this can be an inconvenience when you type a lot and use a single-display setup. But I read way more and consider single-monitor work resemble running on crutches. This said I would probably put an eInk and a classic display alongside each other to display what I have to read on one side and what I have to edit next to it. Messenger apps even have separate panes for displaying message threads and for editing the message you are going to submit - I could put these on separate displays (if the apps would allow moving panels around the way classic desktop apps did).
y33t 1y ago
It might be a fun project to create a UI for use with low refresh displays. Maybe have config options for super low refresh rates, color calibration for the new eink displays and adjust the scroll step size. No mouse pointer, just keyboard shortcuts.
- qwerty456127 1y ago
  I dream of such a lo-fi UI: no animations, no redundant elements, no individually different look&feel for every app - only the information you really need, displayed where and when it really makes sense, updated when necessary, formatted uniformly. In fact there already are some projects of eInk-orientd OSes (e.g. MuditaOS). I don't know how good they really are though.
MPSFounder 1y ago
I agree!!! I just need color syntaxing and basic stuff for reading. They are so focused on playing Youtube videos (even reviews focus on that). These devices are purchased by people that READ. We have ipads and other monitors for the other stuff. I think tech is filled with management that are detached from reality. It is like Elon alienating the base for Teslas... Red States DON'T buy EVs dude. What happened to common sense in tech... Just look at what your customer base wants THEN design the product. Don't focus on what the competition is doing.
- qwerty456127 1y ago
  Your comment seems too charged emotionally and politically (so I'm afraid people are going to downvote) but makes a lot of sense. That's so weird they focus on videos when eInk lovers mostly are readers and mostly own other devices to watch videos on.

qwerty456127 1y ago

> If you are going to use these on a computer at all you need some sort of high refresh mode. Things like scrolling and typing are just way too annoying without it. I hate scrolling and hardly ever scroll really - I just use multiple vertical displays to fit every page fully, only switching pages. Surely this whole discussion thread can't be fit in a screen but I'm perfectly comfortable "scrolling" it with PgDn. I'm used to slow-response typing (waiting for seconds before a word I typed appears when using modern software on old PCs). In fact I don't even look at the screen when I type until I finish a sentence - despite typing fairly fast I have a habit of looking at the keyboard. I don't mean this is a right way to type yet it proves seeing characters displayed immediately is not essential.

goosedragons 1y ago
I touch type too but the lag is very much there. Correcting a typo is difficult because unless you're perfectly counting key presses you don't know where the cursor is.
- qwerty456127 1y ago
  Sure, this can be an inconvenience when you type a lot and use a single-display setup. But I read way more and consider single-monitor work resemble running on crutches. This said I would probably put an eInk and a classic display alongside each other to display what I have to read on one side and what I have to edit next to it. Messenger apps even have separate panes for displaying message threads and for editing the message you are going to submit - I could put these on separate displays (if the apps would allow moving panels around the way classic desktop apps did).

y33t 1y ago

It might be a fun project to create a UI for use with low refresh displays. Maybe have config options for super low refresh rates, color calibration for the new eink displays and adjust the scroll step size. No mouse pointer, just keyboard shortcuts.

qwerty456127 1y ago
I dream of such a lo-fi UI: no animations, no redundant elements, no individually different look&feel for every app - only the information you really need, displayed where and when it really makes sense, updated when necessary, formatted uniformly. In fact there already are some projects of eInk-orientd OSes (e.g. MuditaOS). I don't know how good they really are though.

MPSFounder 1y ago

I agree!!! I just need color syntaxing and basic stuff for reading. They are so focused on playing Youtube videos (even reviews focus on that). These devices are purchased by people that READ. We have ipads and other monitors for the other stuff. I think tech is filled with management that are detached from reality. It is like Elon alienating the base for Teslas... Red States DON'T buy EVs dude. What happened to common sense in tech... Just look at what your customer base wants THEN design the product. Don't focus on what the competition is doing.

qwerty456127 1y ago
Your comment seems too charged emotionally and politically (so I'm afraid people are going to downvote) but makes a lot of sense. That's so weird they focus on videos when eInk lovers mostly are readers and mostly own other devices to watch videos on.