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They are using unofficial comms to stay off the record and unaccountable, it has nothing to do with ease of use.

Ajedi32 1y ago
That's possible I suppose, but do you have any evidence of that or is it just your personal biases causing you to assume the worst motivation you can imagine must be the correct one? I know personally that given the choice I'd probably rather use Signal than whatever messaging system the DoD contractors managed to come up with. And private conversations between senior military officials over encrypted DoD communication channels probably aren't FOIAable anyway.
- beardedwizard 1y ago
  Perhaps, but the simplest answer is often the correct one. People are exactly who they appear to be.
  - justsid 1y ago
    But the simple answer is that the devices suck and people don't want to use them. This is going to be more and more true as time goes on because new people coming in will be used to the creature comforts they have from their personal equipment. I'm not defending anyone here, the people in power need to be held to a higher standard than some rando citizen on the street.
- alistairSH 1y ago
  IIRC, DoD uses Wickr RAM for TS messaging and Teams for non-sensitive comms. Both are fairly "meh" WRT to usability, but neither are so awful people should be breaking the law over it.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
    Wickr is supposed to only used for unclassified info like health data. They have a completely sepearate internet for TS/SCI (JWICS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Worldwide_Intelligence_Communications_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Worldwide_Intelligence_C...)
    - alistairSH 1y ago
      I thought there was a build/version of WICKR for DoD-like usage. Maybe not.
      - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
        I think Wickr RAM is specific to DoD... still not for anything S/TS
- f38zf5vdt 1y ago
  > That's possible I suppose, but do you have any evidence of that Yes, in the chat where a reporter was accidentally present, many of the messages were set to be disappearing. I don't know why anyone would do that if not to avoid recordkeeping laws. > The images of the text chain show that the messages were set to disappear in one week. https://apnews.com/article/war-plans-hegseth-signal-chat-investigation-507d6c692d0cfdfe53e687c0801fd46b https://apnews.com/article/war-plans-hegseth-signal-chat-inv... Further, Project 2025 suggests bypassing federal record keeping legislation by simply holding in-person meetings without record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxe55mU4DA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxe55mU4DA8 Oddly, the Project 2025 training videos that presumably the members of the executive cabinet have seen say _not_ to delete messages or set messages to auto-deleting _because_ that would be in violation of federal record keeping legislation.
- bagels 1y ago
  That is not the worst motivation I can imagine.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
    Tell us the worst one you can imagine, please.
    - smackeyacky 1y ago
      The worst one is obvious: the people involved are foreign agents.
- panzagl 1y ago
  The real answer is that none of the people Hegseth wants to show off to have access to those networks.
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That's possible I suppose, but do you have any evidence of that or is it just your personal biases causing you to assume the worst motivation you can imagine must be the correct one? I know personally that given the choice I'd probably rather use Signal than whatever messaging system the DoD contractors managed to come up with. And private conversations between senior military officials over encrypted DoD communication channels probably aren't FOIAable anyway.

beardedwizard 1y ago
Perhaps, but the simplest answer is often the correct one. People are exactly who they appear to be.
- justsid 1y ago
  But the simple answer is that the devices suck and people don't want to use them. This is going to be more and more true as time goes on because new people coming in will be used to the creature comforts they have from their personal equipment. I'm not defending anyone here, the people in power need to be held to a higher standard than some rando citizen on the street.
alistairSH 1y ago
IIRC, DoD uses Wickr RAM for TS messaging and Teams for non-sensitive comms. Both are fairly "meh" WRT to usability, but neither are so awful people should be breaking the law over it.
- FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
  Wickr is supposed to only used for unclassified info like health data. They have a completely sepearate internet for TS/SCI (JWICS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Worldwide_Intelligence_Communications_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Worldwide_Intelligence_C...)
  - alistairSH 1y ago
    I thought there was a build/version of WICKR for DoD-like usage. Maybe not.
    - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
      I think Wickr RAM is specific to DoD... still not for anything S/TS
f38zf5vdt 1y ago
> That's possible I suppose, but do you have any evidence of that Yes, in the chat where a reporter was accidentally present, many of the messages were set to be disappearing. I don't know why anyone would do that if not to avoid recordkeeping laws. > The images of the text chain show that the messages were set to disappear in one week. https://apnews.com/article/war-plans-hegseth-signal-chat-investigation-507d6c692d0cfdfe53e687c0801fd46b https://apnews.com/article/war-plans-hegseth-signal-chat-inv... Further, Project 2025 suggests bypassing federal record keeping legislation by simply holding in-person meetings without record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxe55mU4DA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxe55mU4DA8 Oddly, the Project 2025 training videos that presumably the members of the executive cabinet have seen say _not_ to delete messages or set messages to auto-deleting _because_ that would be in violation of federal record keeping legislation.
bagels 1y ago
That is not the worst motivation I can imagine.
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
  Tell us the worst one you can imagine, please.
  - smackeyacky 1y ago
    The worst one is obvious: the people involved are foreign agents.
panzagl 1y ago
The real answer is that none of the people Hegseth wants to show off to have access to those networks.
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