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Why are they using any language at all? Why not just let the app maker open the payment screen directly?

scarface_74 1y ago
Because users will then blame Apple when they get scammed. There are a lot of websites that give you a warning when you click on a link outside of their control.
- larsnystrom 1y ago
  But this is from a non-Apple app. You’re already on a page outside of Apples control.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    I have my parents use iOS because they couldn’t help themselves from downloading malware on Android. It wasn’t from Google, but it didn’t matter, because the whole Android system’s reputation was reduced because of it.
    - larsnystrom 1y ago
      Allowing third party payment systems does not mean they have to be less strict in the rest of their app vetting process.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    It doesn’t matter. The app came from the App Store.
sokoloff 1y ago
Same (perceived) reason my bank and brokerages (and I think even my kid's school website does this) pop up a warning every time I click on a link that will take them outside their website. I think there's a valid reason to think "if it's OK and common for banks and brokers to do it, it's OK for me to do it" and also to think "this will help protect users from being scammed by other apps who might pop open random links without any notices".
- Wobbles42 1y ago
  There is probably nothing whatsoever the judge could have done about this action by itself. The issue is the conversations around it, which established intent. The chat logs provide hard evidence that it was done in bad faith and with criminal intent. Now that I think about it, I wonder how much of the current backlash against remote work is to avoid this exact situation. Face to face conversations don't end up in evidence. Written conversations do, and video chats are increasingly being summarized and recorded by AI.
- int_19h 1y ago
  But in this case, it's not taking the user out of Apple's website. It's taking them out of Epic's app into Epic's website.
  - sokoloff 1y ago
    You and I both know the underlying reason Apple wants to do this. The fig leaf reason is “it’s an app we approved and we need to protect our customers.”
Cthulhu_ 1y ago
From a positive point of view: so that app makers can't open up malicious payment screens. Of course, I don't think there's anything stopping them now. From a more negative point of view, so Apple knows how much it happens and gets to have some influence over it.

Because users will then blame Apple when they get scammed. There are a lot of websites that give you a warning when you click on a link outside of their control.

larsnystrom 1y ago
But this is from a non-Apple app. You’re already on a page outside of Apples control.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  I have my parents use iOS because they couldn’t help themselves from downloading malware on Android. It wasn’t from Google, but it didn’t matter, because the whole Android system’s reputation was reduced because of it.
  - larsnystrom 1y ago
    Allowing third party payment systems does not mean they have to be less strict in the rest of their app vetting process.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  It doesn’t matter. The app came from the App Store.

sokoloff 1y ago

Same (perceived) reason my bank and brokerages (and I think even my kid's school website does this) pop up a warning every time I click on a link that will take them outside their website. I think there's a valid reason to think "if it's OK and common for banks and brokers to do it, it's OK for me to do it" and also to think "this will help protect users from being scammed by other apps who might pop open random links without any notices".

Wobbles42 1y ago
There is probably nothing whatsoever the judge could have done about this action by itself. The issue is the conversations around it, which established intent. The chat logs provide hard evidence that it was done in bad faith and with criminal intent. Now that I think about it, I wonder how much of the current backlash against remote work is to avoid this exact situation. Face to face conversations don't end up in evidence. Written conversations do, and video chats are increasingly being summarized and recorded by AI.
int_19h 1y ago
But in this case, it's not taking the user out of Apple's website. It's taking them out of Epic's app into Epic's website.
- sokoloff 1y ago
  You and I both know the underlying reason Apple wants to do this. The fig leaf reason is “it’s an app we approved and we need to protect our customers.”

Cthulhu_ 1y ago

From a positive point of view: so that app makers can't open up malicious payment screens. Of course, I don't think there's anything stopping them now. From a more negative point of view, so Apple knows how much it happens and gets to have some influence over it.