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Microsoft is too slow full stop. When will there be a viable alternative that runs industry standard software?

lionkor 2y ago
Proton made games run well on Linux, maybe all it takes is one big company picking up wine, and making it run all the different office software? It cannot be that hard.
- margorczynski 2y ago
  I think its harder with "standard" software as it uses the Windows UI toolkit and stuff. Games usually only require an empty window to render + all the GUI is custom in DirectX/Vulkan/etc.
mike_hearn 2y ago
Industry standard software like what, MS Office?
- quaestio 2y ago
  Solidworks, RFEM, other niche applications only run on Windows... I made the switch to Google Workspace and Docs years ago... At a recent company used the Microsoft largely for teams, but there are so many unnecessary headaches and time consuming log-ins (each taking a few seconds that continually add up) that the next paradigm cannot come soon enough... The best way off Microsoft is via the browser... Vanilla JS Webgl etc Prediction: we are less than a year away from this becoming a reality... Edit: Possible solution: simply boot into a browser, with an underlying cloud syncing filesystem with trusted circles of sharing... How many seconds would be required to go from power button to accepting input in this paradigm?
herbst 2y ago
Depending on the industrie there is really nothing holding them back other than dirty Microsoft deals and lazy bosses
bflesch 2y ago
Desktop linux has all standard software. It's just incompetent IT teams trying to sugarcoat the fact they keep throwing money down the Microsoft drain.
- RedShift1 2y ago
  Desktop linux doesn't even have anything close to things like group policies. And if by magic that function would appear tomorrow, it would disappear again the day after tomorrow. Sure active directory and group policies have their flaws but its ease of use and tight integration blows everything else out of the water.
  - bflesch 2y ago
    Silicon valley is able to shoehorn their Macbooks into "compliance" but somehow it'd be a problem to do the same with linux desktops? > And if by magic that function would appear tomorrow, it would disappear again the day after tomorrow. That's incorrect. > ease of use and tight integration blows everything else out of the water. Agree to disagree.
    - p_ing 2y ago
      macOS has MDM tooling like Microsoft's InTune, or JAMF, and I'm sure a few others. macOS is designed for MDM profiles, just like iOS is. This is what makes Mac manageable.
  - codethief 2y ago
    You're bringing up an important point. However: As far as I can tell, Linux can very well be integrated into an Active Directory setup.[0,1] Also: If you want to avoid Active Directory altogether, there seem to be plenty alternatives?[2] [0]: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linux-active-directory https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linux-active-directory [1]: https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/intro-to/AD-integration/index.html https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/intro-to... [2]: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/333/what-is-the-equivalent-of-active-directory-on-linux https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/333/what-is-the-equ... Are there any alternatives to ActiveDirectory in the Linux ecosystem? Maybe from RedHat?

Proton made games run well on Linux, maybe all it takes is one big company picking up wine, and making it run all the different office software? It cannot be that hard.

margorczynski 2y ago
I think its harder with "standard" software as it uses the Windows UI toolkit and stuff. Games usually only require an empty window to render + all the GUI is custom in DirectX/Vulkan/etc.

mike_hearn 2y ago

Industry standard software like what, MS Office?

quaestio 2y ago
Solidworks, RFEM, other niche applications only run on Windows... I made the switch to Google Workspace and Docs years ago... At a recent company used the Microsoft largely for teams, but there are so many unnecessary headaches and time consuming log-ins (each taking a few seconds that continually add up) that the next paradigm cannot come soon enough... The best way off Microsoft is via the browser... Vanilla JS Webgl etc Prediction: we are less than a year away from this becoming a reality... Edit: Possible solution: simply boot into a browser, with an underlying cloud syncing filesystem with trusted circles of sharing... How many seconds would be required to go from power button to accepting input in this paradigm?

herbst 2y ago

Depending on the industrie there is really nothing holding them back other than dirty Microsoft deals and lazy bosses

bflesch 2y ago

Desktop linux has all standard software. It's just incompetent IT teams trying to sugarcoat the fact they keep throwing money down the Microsoft drain.

RedShift1 2y ago
Desktop linux doesn't even have anything close to things like group policies. And if by magic that function would appear tomorrow, it would disappear again the day after tomorrow. Sure active directory and group policies have their flaws but its ease of use and tight integration blows everything else out of the water.
- bflesch 2y ago
  Silicon valley is able to shoehorn their Macbooks into "compliance" but somehow it'd be a problem to do the same with linux desktops? > And if by magic that function would appear tomorrow, it would disappear again the day after tomorrow. That's incorrect. > ease of use and tight integration blows everything else out of the water. Agree to disagree.
  - p_ing 2y ago
    macOS has MDM tooling like Microsoft's InTune, or JAMF, and I'm sure a few others. macOS is designed for MDM profiles, just like iOS is. This is what makes Mac manageable.
- codethief 2y ago
  You're bringing up an important point. However: As far as I can tell, Linux can very well be integrated into an Active Directory setup.[0,1] Also: If you want to avoid Active Directory altogether, there seem to be plenty alternatives?[2] [0]: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linux-active-directory https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linux-active-directory [1]: https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/intro-to/AD-integration/index.html https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/intro-to... [2]: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/333/what-is-the-equivalent-of-active-directory-on-linux https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/333/what-is-the-equ... Are there any alternatives to ActiveDirectory in the Linux ecosystem? Maybe from RedHat?