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Why are your police not investigating this? The guy is actively breaking the law

by mcfedr 1y ago

SubiculumCode 1y ago
Because Trump does not investigate himself, and the once independent Attorney General is now just another political arm of Trump, but with prosecutorial power and discrtion. We are in dark times.
- slt2021 1y ago
  always have been, its just current admin is less subtle about it
  - SubiculumCode 1y ago
    So you say, but I've seen plenty of independence...see Trump's first term for some examples.
  - Loughla 1y ago
    And you have hit the nail on the head for how Trump is operating this term. How can he do these things? Turns out they all could've, they just chose not to. Maybe we should strengthen the checks and balances, and Congress shouldn't abdicate ANY of its authority to the president. Maybe the system should work how it's supposed to instead of how is easiest.
    - kube-system 1y ago
      > How can he do these things? > Turns out they all could've, they just chose not to. That's not really the case, there are plenty of actions which he has tried to implement but have been blocked by courts.
- jdminhbg 1y ago
  > the once independent Attorney General This has never been the case; JFK appointed his little brother AG. The problem is that the Congress should be investigating and prosecuting the president but will not.
  - intermerda 1y ago
    > This has never been the case; Independence of the Justice Department has been the norm since and because of Watergate.
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - jdminhbg 1y ago
      It's been a nice kind of fig leaf, but constitutionally the president is the AG's boss, so it doesn't make any sense for the AG to investigate the president. There's an entire branch of government given this power in the Constitution, they've just decided they don't want it.
      - xp84 1y ago
        Exactly. Congress doesn’t want any of their duties. War declaration? Nah, let the President do it and call it “not a war.” Budget? Well, technically we’ll appropriate funds, but we’ll only do a big CR once in a while. Tariff policy? Nah, let the President do it all with the “national security” loophole, no matter how absurd. Impeachment and removal? Well, not when it’s your party’s guy. For all the hate Trump gets, it’s Congress who’s created and who props up this monarchy.
        vkou 1y ago
        Except that this Congress was hand-picked by him, since he purged anyone who would push back.
        sokoloff 1y ago
        Could you point to say 3 concrete examples where he purged a legislative candidate or removed an elected legislator?
        1y ago
idle_zealot 1y ago
Judges are investigating and holding trials. The Executive is being obstructive and outright ignoring court orders. Rule of law and the balance of powers have collapsed. Turns out that running a decade+ long misinformation campaign to sow distrust of all legal institutions, as well as expertise and professionalism in general is sufficient to topple the world's oldest democracy. If only there had been any effective counter-messaging things may have been different, but that's impossible with our "left" hollowed out by capital.
foota 1y ago
If you're not aware, these are federal laws, and the force responsible for investigating and arresting people who break them are a part of the executive branch.
- Morizero 1y ago
  And the top executive is arguing that they are only accountable to him
- hypeatei 1y ago
  And the attorney general just confirmed in a cabinet meeting that the U.S. marshals would not be arresting any of them (marshals handle court orders, e.g. if you're in contempt)
- woah 1y ago
  If you really want to blow your mind, think about the fact that Hunter Biden was being prosecuted by the DOJ run by Joe Biden, just a few months ago. Can you imagine anything like that happening in the Trump administration if a Trump family member was accused of a crime?
t-3 1y ago
How many politicians have you seen blatantly breaking the law like this and having no problem? It happens over and over again. A lower-level flunky would be in prison, but a political appointee is going to be just fine, forced resignation is the worst that could possibly happen to him. Our system is just that corrupt. The same thing happens with leaks - politician or cabinet member leaking is normal, rando bureaucrat leaking is enemy of the state.

Why are your police not investigating this? The guy is actively breaking the law

by mcfedr 1y ago

Why are your police not investigating this? The guy is actively breaking the law

Because Trump does not investigate himself, and the once independent Attorney General is now just another political arm of Trump, but with prosecutorial power and discrtion. We are in dark times.

slt2021 1y ago
always have been, its just current admin is less subtle about it
- SubiculumCode 1y ago
  So you say, but I've seen plenty of independence...see Trump's first term for some examples.
- Loughla 1y ago
  And you have hit the nail on the head for how Trump is operating this term. How can he do these things? Turns out they all could've, they just chose not to. Maybe we should strengthen the checks and balances, and Congress shouldn't abdicate ANY of its authority to the president. Maybe the system should work how it's supposed to instead of how is easiest.
  - kube-system 1y ago
    > How can he do these things? > Turns out they all could've, they just chose not to. That's not really the case, there are plenty of actions which he has tried to implement but have been blocked by courts.
jdminhbg 1y ago
> the once independent Attorney General This has never been the case; JFK appointed his little brother AG. The problem is that the Congress should be investigating and prosecuting the president but will not.
- intermerda 1y ago
  > This has never been the case; Independence of the Justice Department has been the norm since and because of Watergate.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - jdminhbg 1y ago
    It's been a nice kind of fig leaf, but constitutionally the president is the AG's boss, so it doesn't make any sense for the AG to investigate the president. There's an entire branch of government given this power in the Constitution, they've just decided they don't want it.
    - xp84 1y ago
      Exactly. Congress doesn’t want any of their duties. War declaration? Nah, let the President do it and call it “not a war.” Budget? Well, technically we’ll appropriate funds, but we’ll only do a big CR once in a while. Tariff policy? Nah, let the President do it all with the “national security” loophole, no matter how absurd. Impeachment and removal? Well, not when it’s your party’s guy. For all the hate Trump gets, it’s Congress who’s created and who props up this monarchy.
      - vkou 1y ago
        Except that this Congress was hand-picked by him, since he purged anyone who would push back.
        sokoloff 1y ago
        Could you point to say 3 concrete examples where he purged a legislative candidate or removed an elected legislator?
        1y ago

idle_zealot 1y ago

Judges are investigating and holding trials. The Executive is being obstructive and outright ignoring court orders. Rule of law and the balance of powers have collapsed. Turns out that running a decade+ long misinformation campaign to sow distrust of all legal institutions, as well as expertise and professionalism in general is sufficient to topple the world's oldest democracy. If only there had been any effective counter-messaging things may have been different, but that's impossible with our "left" hollowed out by capital.

foota 1y ago

If you're not aware, these are federal laws, and the force responsible for investigating and arresting people who break them are a part of the executive branch.

Morizero 1y ago
And the top executive is arguing that they are only accountable to him
hypeatei 1y ago
And the attorney general just confirmed in a cabinet meeting that the U.S. marshals would not be arresting any of them (marshals handle court orders, e.g. if you're in contempt)
woah 1y ago
If you really want to blow your mind, think about the fact that Hunter Biden was being prosecuted by the DOJ run by Joe Biden, just a few months ago. Can you imagine anything like that happening in the Trump administration if a Trump family member was accused of a crime?

t-3 1y ago

How many politicians have you seen blatantly breaking the law like this and having no problem? It happens over and over again. A lower-level flunky would be in prison, but a political appointee is going to be just fine, forced resignation is the worst that could possibly happen to him. Our system is just that corrupt. The same thing happens with leaks - politician or cabinet member leaking is normal, rando bureaucrat leaking is enemy of the state.