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If they refuse to comply, why don't we just... arrest them? Like, you know, we do for someone who was poor and starving and stole 10$ of food?
by DecentShoes 1y ago
If they refuse to comply, why don't we just... arrest them?
Like, you know, we do for someone who was poor and starving and stole 10$ of food?
- brudgers 1y agoYou can’t arrest a fictitious person.
- cowfarts 1y ago[dead]
- dbetteridge 1y agoWhy not? If a company is a person, it can go in jail. Freeze their ability to do anything above basic life support without the permission of the judge or court.
- Wobbles42 1y agoFreeze their ability to do anything period. Physically lock the incorporation documents in a prison cell. They won't need to do "basic life support", the documents will be provided with trays of food, water, and adequate opportunities for exercise by the prison facility. If they need more than that, they can petition their former customers to send money to their prison commissary account for the purchase of snacks, toiletries and such.
- rfrey 1y agoIs your comment asserting that there are no people poor enough to steal food? Or are you claiming that poor people do not get arrested and are in fact treated with kindness and compassion by the various police agencies?
- brudgers 1y agoThe “them” of Apple is a fictitious person. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fictitious-person https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fictitious-person Your assumptions are absurd.
- rfrey 1y agoThanks and apologies, I totally misinterpreted your comment.
- ane 1y agoRefers to corporate personhood. You can't jail Apple Inc.
- layer8 1y agoTim Cook isn't fictious, even if it sometimes appears that way.
- brudgers 1y agoLegally, Tim Cook is just another employee. Apple is a corporation. Legally, corporations are persons. Corporations are often referred to as fictitious persons in legal contexts to reduce confusion.
- randunel 1y agoA fictitious person's executives and directors are typically real. Or, if fictitious as well, go down the rabbit hole of said contractors until you finally find the real ones. In the country I'm from, each exec gets a partial sentence in accordance with their contribution to the criminal act. And no, the total amount on years in prison needn't match the total, there's a minimum and also percentages always exceed 100%. Limited liability doesn't and shouldn't protect criminals from imprisonment.
- Wobbles42 1y agoCareful. The real humans at the bottom of that rabbit hole are the individual shareholders. That is the real root of this problem -- the people that ultimately profit from this behavior (a group that, ironically, almost certainly includes the judge in this case, and most of the people in this thread) have no responsibility whatsoever.
- poincaredisk 1y agoBecause they're not responsible? We (shareholders) pay executives to manage the companies. This means doing what is best for the company, not committing crimes.
- sureIy 1y agoIs the CEO just following orders then? I think there's a precedent for that ruling.
- Biganon 1y agoPiercing the corporate veil is a thing.
- DecentShoes 1y agoI assure you apple is run by real humans
- Gareth321 1y agoThat is exactly what the judge has triggered. She has referred Alex Roman and anyone else complicit in Apple for review of contempt of course. This carries actual prison time.
- TheCoelacanth 1y agoShould be Tim Cook and the entire board of directors, though. They are the ones ultimately responsible.
- sureIy 1y agoIt would be really funny if rich CEOs actually suffered the consequences of their actions, that's a right reserved to the plebes.