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If this is all-new development, wouldn't it be good for the emphasis to be on correctness and security, as part of the design and coding itself? That's somethi

by neilv 2y ago

If this is all-new development, wouldn't it be good for the emphasis to be on correctness and security, as part of the design and coding itself? That's something that you use fuzzing as one way to detect a failure of, not as the means of achieving correctness and security. I'm not picking on Ladybird here specifically. Chrome and Firefox provide constant streams of security vulnerabilities. But it would be nice if Ladybird didn't start with the same problems that might be attributed to huge legacy code bases.

esprehn 2y ago
Ladybird comes from Serenity OS which has a focus of having fun and being pragmatic while building everything from scratch incrementally. They do plan to switch to Swift: https://ladybird.org/#:~:text=Why%20build%20a%20new%20browser%20in https://ladybird.org/#:~:text=Why%20build%20a%20new%20browse... I appreciate their pragmatism though, it's allowed them to catch up to other alternative browsers in WPT coverage very quickly.
- neilv 2y ago
  OK, fun is valid. And it's good to have expectations set. Open source people who are looking for a more trustworthy browser than Firefox will have to look elsewhere, though.
  - sebmellen 2y ago
    Elsewhere… where? WebKit?
    - GoblinSlayer 2y ago
      noscript
- oesa 2y ago
  off topic, but I have never seen a link like yours before. Today, I learned about Text Fragment Identifiers [0]. Thanks, very handy! [0] https://web.dev/articles/text-fragments#text_fragments https://web.dev/articles/text-fragments#text_fragments
  - rzzzt 2y ago
    Chrome and Edge have a context menu item to create a link like this when you select text ("Copy link to highlight"). Firefox 131 and up will highlight the relevant portion on the page but can't create new links in a user-friendly fashion.
    - TheDong 2y ago
      > But [firefox] can't create new links in a user-friendly fashion. It's not built-in, but there is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/link-to-text-fragment/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/link-to-text-...

by neilv 2y ago

esprehn 2y ago

Ladybird comes from Serenity OS which has a focus of having fun and being pragmatic while building everything from scratch incrementally. They do plan to switch to Swift: https://ladybird.org/#:~:text=Why%20build%20a%20new%20browser%20in https://ladybird.org/#:~:text=Why%20build%20a%20new%20browse... I appreciate their pragmatism though, it's allowed them to catch up to other alternative browsers in WPT coverage very quickly.

neilv 2y ago
OK, fun is valid. And it's good to have expectations set. Open source people who are looking for a more trustworthy browser than Firefox will have to look elsewhere, though.
- sebmellen 2y ago
  Elsewhere… where? WebKit?
  - GoblinSlayer 2y ago
    noscript
oesa 2y ago
off topic, but I have never seen a link like yours before. Today, I learned about Text Fragment Identifiers [0]. Thanks, very handy! [0] https://web.dev/articles/text-fragments#text_fragments https://web.dev/articles/text-fragments#text_fragments
- rzzzt 2y ago
  Chrome and Edge have a context menu item to create a link like this when you select text ("Copy link to highlight"). Firefox 131 and up will highlight the relevant portion on the page but can't create new links in a user-friendly fashion.
  - TheDong 2y ago
    > But [firefox] can't create new links in a user-friendly fashion. It's not built-in, but there is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/link-to-text-fragment/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/link-to-text-...