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Were they transparent, what would inhibit developers from bargaining against the costs and benefits shown? Sometimes that also outweighs the benefits of transpa

Were they transparent, what would inhibit developers from bargaining against the costs and benefits shown? Sometimes that also outweighs the benefits of transparency. You just can't show anything to anyone without kicking a wasp's nest. I am not defending Apple, if anything, I am pro-Android here, but I understand the pickle they'd be in, were they be transparent with the cost structure.

cyberax 1y ago
Well, yeah. It would have shown that their commissions are nothing but rent-seeking.
- ivanmontillam 1y ago
  Exactly my point! This would kick the wasp's nest of "they (Apple) don't need this much money to operate, they can do well with 10% profit!" Which is very hard to admit, that profit margins are arbitrary when you, indeed, dominate the market. Apple doesn't want (nor need) to give anyone a handle to anyone to make them accountable. It is not a charity. (Again, I'm not defending Apple, but I do defend corporate liberties, in general.)
  - ysavir 1y ago
    Are you defending their corporate liberty to withhold information or to lie about the information being withheld?
  - to11mtm 1y ago
    When a company builds the moat too high (i.e. restrictions on external sub signups) it becomes monopolistic. Apple is honestly worse than Microsoft in so many ways as far as restrictions (nowadays, anyway) and yet it's taken this long even to get here. (To be clear, I am not a fan of Google's actions in the mobile space either...)
    - girvo 1y ago
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mystified5016 1y ago
It isn't about transparency. It is about illegal anticompetitive behavior. Apple didn't charge tax on all app store purchases to protect themselves, it was done out of greed and malice. You're assuming that Apple is acting in good faith. An actual, literal judge has decided the evidence shows that Apple was not acting in good faith, and in fact were behaving illegally. This isn't a "both sides" argument, Apple is definitively in the wrong.
mvdtnz 1y ago
> what would inhibit developers from bargaining against the costs and benefits shown? Another word for that is "competing". And yeah, exactly.

cyberax 1y ago

Well, yeah. It would have shown that their commissions are nothing but rent-seeking.

ivanmontillam 1y ago
Exactly my point! This would kick the wasp's nest of "they (Apple) don't need this much money to operate, they can do well with 10% profit!" Which is very hard to admit, that profit margins are arbitrary when you, indeed, dominate the market. Apple doesn't want (nor need) to give anyone a handle to anyone to make them accountable. It is not a charity. (Again, I'm not defending Apple, but I do defend corporate liberties, in general.)
- ysavir 1y ago
  Are you defending their corporate liberty to withhold information or to lie about the information being withheld?
- to11mtm 1y ago
  When a company builds the moat too high (i.e. restrictions on external sub signups) it becomes monopolistic. Apple is honestly worse than Microsoft in so many ways as far as restrictions (nowadays, anyway) and yet it's taken this long even to get here. (To be clear, I am not a fan of Google's actions in the mobile space either...)
  - girvo 1y ago
    Mobile space Ad space Search space And more!
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mystified5016 1y ago

It isn't about transparency. It is about illegal anticompetitive behavior. Apple didn't charge tax on all app store purchases to protect themselves, it was done out of greed and malice. You're assuming that Apple is acting in good faith. An actual, literal judge has decided the evidence shows that Apple was not acting in good faith, and in fact were behaving illegally. This isn't a "both sides" argument, Apple is definitively in the wrong.

mvdtnz 1y ago

> what would inhibit developers from bargaining against the costs and benefits shown? Another word for that is "competing". And yeah, exactly.