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This is interesting! Does anyone know how China’s reliance on chips from intel and amd is in the non-AI space (so regular consumer and server loads)? I’m wonder

This is interesting! Does anyone know how China’s reliance on chips from intel and amd is in the non-AI space (so regular consumer and server loads)? I’m wondering how it was 10 and 5 years ago, now, and how we predict in the next couple of years. Surely if they’re not mostly using their own chips they will very soon right?

daniel_iversen 1y ago
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rjzzleep 1y ago
They push local chips for independence, but unless the west embargoes them, I don't think you will see a major leap forward. Huawei is a whole different beast though. They have a everything from the chip design up, and by now also an operating system that has arguably both a better frontend framework and a better kernel that the Linux alternatives. When we talk about Chinese AI chips being slow we specifically talk about classic desktop chips. Also! For normal desktop work a 2011 intel chip is plenty fast. A lot of critical systems like train booking systems are keyboard focused ancient UI systems, and they seem fine.
- MaxPock 1y ago
  If Huawei had access to TSMC and free of sanctions,it would have run so many companies out of town.
ksec 1y ago
Ignoring Fabs for now which is a different sets of issues. They have JV with ARM ( ARM China ) and AMD ( Zen 1 ), IMG ( PowerVR and MIPS ) Along with investment on RISC-V. Alibaba and Huawei are all investing into RISC-V as well. Considering they dont sell CPU I wont be surprised if China one day give away RISC-V CPU design for free. Surprisingly ARM China issue is still somewhat unresolved and ARM now has a separate subsidiary inside China.
- RetroTechie 1y ago
  > Considering they dont sell CPU I wont be surprised if China one day give away RISC-V CPU design for free. Already done: https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/20/alibaba-open-source-risc-v-cores-xuantie-e902-e906-c906-and-c910/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/20/alibaba-open-source-... https://github.com/XUANTIE-RV https://github.com/XUANTIE-RV
  - camel-cdr 1y ago
    https://github.com/OpenXiangShan/XiangShan https://github.com/OpenXiangShan/XiangShan This one is mode than twice as fast.

daniel_iversen 1y ago

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rjzzleep 1y ago

They push local chips for independence, but unless the west embargoes them, I don't think you will see a major leap forward. Huawei is a whole different beast though. They have a everything from the chip design up, and by now also an operating system that has arguably both a better frontend framework and a better kernel that the Linux alternatives. When we talk about Chinese AI chips being slow we specifically talk about classic desktop chips. Also! For normal desktop work a 2011 intel chip is plenty fast. A lot of critical systems like train booking systems are keyboard focused ancient UI systems, and they seem fine.

MaxPock 1y ago
If Huawei had access to TSMC and free of sanctions,it would have run so many companies out of town.

ksec 1y ago

Ignoring Fabs for now which is a different sets of issues. They have JV with ARM ( ARM China ) and AMD ( Zen 1 ), IMG ( PowerVR and MIPS ) Along with investment on RISC-V. Alibaba and Huawei are all investing into RISC-V as well. Considering they dont sell CPU I wont be surprised if China one day give away RISC-V CPU design for free. Surprisingly ARM China issue is still somewhat unresolved and ARM now has a separate subsidiary inside China.

RetroTechie 1y ago
> Considering they dont sell CPU I wont be surprised if China one day give away RISC-V CPU design for free. Already done: https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/20/alibaba-open-source-risc-v-cores-xuantie-e902-e906-c906-and-c910/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/20/alibaba-open-source-... https://github.com/XUANTIE-RV https://github.com/XUANTIE-RV
- camel-cdr 1y ago
  https://github.com/OpenXiangShan/XiangShan https://github.com/OpenXiangShan/XiangShan This one is mode than twice as fast.