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There was a large section of The Boys viewership that didn't understand that Homelander was a bad guy until season four, or that Walter White was Breaking Bad's

There was a large section of The Boys viewership that didn't understand that Homelander was a bad guy until season four, or that Walter White was Breaking Bad's biggest villain. Time after time, an astonishingly large number of readers and watchers assume that main characters are good and are unable to fathom that a main character can be bad. Luckily for the rest of us, this is emotional shibboleth that once identified serves as a high-accuracy litmus test for personal engagement.

ghufran_syed 2y ago
Do you have some kind of reference for this phenomenon? If so it would be very interesting to read. If not, what is this statement based on?
- kelseyfrog 2y ago
  "But then there are good, smart, law-abiding people who still root for [Walter White], and I find that a very interesting sociological study"[1] - Vince Gilligan creator of Breaking Bad. "Nevertheless, [Dan Harmon] and Roiland insist these people are a small subset. The worst of them—the ones who see Rick as a role model—are missing the point."[2] - On Dan Harmon's[Co-creator of Rick and Morty] view of Rickfandom. "Tyler [Durden] has proven so perniciously stubborn as a hero of alienated young men."[3] Generally, I see this aligned with Protagonist-centered Morality[4]. The way I discovered this phenomenon was repeatedly observing it in fan forums. I decided not to link to those because they are low signal to noise[5], but you're welcome and encouraged to seek them out. In revisiting them to refresh my memory, my present impression is: 1. Some people just like rooting for and sympathize with the main character above all else - no amount of atrocities can change that. 2. Some people just think the these characters are 'cool'. Tony Soprano is an interesting case, because the creator was one of the die hard Tony fans, while much of the audience concluded that "He was a fucking murderer." I guess being in the creator seat doesn't magically bestow insight. 1. https://filmmakermagazine.com/84504-its-better-to-be-somebody-negative-than-nobody-breaking-bads-vince-gilligan-on-walter-white/ https://filmmakermagazine.com/84504-its-better-to-be-somebod... 2. https://www.gq.com/story/dan-harmon-rick-and-morty-profile https://www.gq.com/story/dan-harmon-rick-and-morty-profile? 3. https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a44891150/chuck-palahniuk-fight-club-not-forever-but-for-now https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a44891150/chuck-... 4. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCente... 5. ie: Reddit.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  TVTropes covers it here, with many, many, _many_ examples: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPa... and the somewhat related https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedFandom https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedFandom The Musk/Banks thing even gets a mention under MisaimedFandom.
Nursie 2y ago
See also - A number of fans of "The Man in the High Castle" series on amazon a few years back were expecting it to somehow be a redemption story for the actual chief nazi.

ghufran_syed 2y ago

Do you have some kind of reference for this phenomenon? If so it would be very interesting to read. If not, what is this statement based on?

kelseyfrog 2y ago
"But then there are good, smart, law-abiding people who still root for [Walter White], and I find that a very interesting sociological study"[1] - Vince Gilligan creator of Breaking Bad. "Nevertheless, [Dan Harmon] and Roiland insist these people are a small subset. The worst of them—the ones who see Rick as a role model—are missing the point."[2] - On Dan Harmon's[Co-creator of Rick and Morty] view of Rickfandom. "Tyler [Durden] has proven so perniciously stubborn as a hero of alienated young men."[3] Generally, I see this aligned with Protagonist-centered Morality[4]. The way I discovered this phenomenon was repeatedly observing it in fan forums. I decided not to link to those because they are low signal to noise[5], but you're welcome and encouraged to seek them out. In revisiting them to refresh my memory, my present impression is: 1. Some people just like rooting for and sympathize with the main character above all else - no amount of atrocities can change that. 2. Some people just think the these characters are 'cool'. Tony Soprano is an interesting case, because the creator was one of the die hard Tony fans, while much of the audience concluded that "He was a fucking murderer." I guess being in the creator seat doesn't magically bestow insight. 1. https://filmmakermagazine.com/84504-its-better-to-be-somebody-negative-than-nobody-breaking-bads-vince-gilligan-on-walter-white/ https://filmmakermagazine.com/84504-its-better-to-be-somebod... 2. https://www.gq.com/story/dan-harmon-rick-and-morty-profile https://www.gq.com/story/dan-harmon-rick-and-morty-profile? 3. https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a44891150/chuck-palahniuk-fight-club-not-forever-but-for-now https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a44891150/chuck-... 4. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCente... 5. ie: Reddit.
rsynnott 2y ago
TVTropes covers it here, with many, many, _many_ examples: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPa... and the somewhat related https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedFandom https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedFandom The Musk/Banks thing even gets a mention under MisaimedFandom.

Nursie 2y ago

See also - A number of fans of "The Man in the High Castle" series on amazon a few years back were expecting it to somehow be a redemption story for the actual chief nazi.