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The whole Jetbrains product suite is sliding downhill quality wise. Can we go back to the days of yore where it was just a lightning fast Java code editor and i

The whole Jetbrains product suite is sliding downhill quality wise. Can we go back to the days of yore where it was just a lightning fast Java code editor and it did that extremely well?

toyg 1y ago
> it was just a lightning fast Java code editor Uh, I don't think it's ever been "lightning fast"... Great at refactoring, navigation, and boilerplate generation, yeah; fast, no.
- delusional 1y ago
  It was actually known as the fast option. You have to remember that this was from a time where the alternatives were Eclipse and NetBeans. Lightweight vim/emacs style "text editor" IDE's (maybe except for hardcore configuration heavy plugin collections) hadn't come around yet.
  - toyg 1y ago
    I guess if you compared it to those two, it definitely was faster ("lightning" though, really?). TBH, at the time, for Java I was happily using the likes of jEdit with a bunch of plugins, and for Microsoft stuff I had Visual Studio. Those editors were fast; IDEA had many advantages in comparison, but definitely not speed for me.
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Timon3 1y ago
This has also been my experience. Every update brings new weird bugs that disrupt my workflow - it's gotten bad enough that I've stopped updating their tools when the bugs aren't in main parts of my workflow, because while updates may fix those, they are sure to introduce even worse ones. And it's not like I'm doing crazy stuff, for a while even copying text made a "Copying..." dialog pop up and freeze the editor for a while. Unless something drastically changes, I won't be renewing my license anymore. I don't like VS Code, but it's been much more reliable than the Jetbrains tools I use.
throwuxiytayq 1y ago
Any specific reason you’d say that? I’ve been using Rider for years it has been strictly getting better with each version. (Please don’t disappoint me by saying “they added an optional feature and I don’t like it”)
- misswaterfairy 1y ago
  I'd say it would depend on the product. I understand there are different teams developing each IDE. They have had quite a few issues open for nearly a decade (I wish I was kidding) for features that had been quite sought after, that free tools have had for years.
- clintonb 1y ago
  I'm not OP, but agree that the tooling—DataGrip and WebStorm for me—is getting worse. Here are issues observed for the latest updates: - DataGrip sporadically stops working when returning from sleep. I have to force-kill it to continue. - Take a relatively empty file with 10 lines. WebStorm is supposed to reformat on save. It hangs for 10+ seconds or until I cancel reformatting. - I saw a low memory alert for the first time in months this week. My workflow hasn't changed drastically and I wasn't running anything, just editing a few files. - Overall everything feels a little slower than it did a couple weeks ago with the older version. I don't think it's worth filing issues in YouTrack because I've seen those go nowhere in the past.
- HideousKojima 1y ago
  Rider stands out because the competition for C# development is VS2022 and VSCode. VS2022 is bloated and slow, while VSCode is missing tons of important features. Can't really speak to how other JB offerings compare to their competitors, but Rider is best-in-class for C#/.NET.
- rtsil 1y ago
  I just spent half a day troubleshooting why PHPStorm suddenly took 15 minutes to become responsive. The cultprit was the built-in markdown plugin, probably after an update. I don't have time for that. Another annoying thing is they also removed the modal commit window in favor of a VS code style commit. It was removed without notification, and I had to install a plug-in to restore it. IDE UI is the most important thing for me, I've built muscle memory to use it without think. When they tinker with it, it forces me to think about the IDE instead of about what I'm working on, and that's really annoying. Not enough to lead me to change, for now.
Thaxll 1y ago
Being fast is not enough in 2025.
- azemetre 1y ago
  Yes it is, VSCode is so painfully slow. Maybe I have Vim brain rot but the input latency in VSCode is extremely noticeable and there's the whole having to use a mouse for proficiency that slows you down too. I'd pay decent money for an editor that could be faster than Neovim but until then they get my yearly donation. There's so much that can be gained solely on speed alone. Especially for JetBrains products here too.
  - exitb 1y ago
    Sublime Text is in the business of being fast.
    - azemetre 1y ago
      Yes! Sublime Text 2 with vim mode was my jam for a solid 8 years and paid for a new license for every machine that let me. Haven't it used it since adopting neovim but I am happy that the Sublime team is still around and able to make a living on a good product.
switch007 1y ago
It really has. I had to disable the GitHub plugin to get rid of a PR comment box that wouldn't disappear. Junit test runs say No tests available about 50% of the time It feels slower and slower Today I started getting "unable to save settings" or something, no idea what that is about It really shows that they're distracted from quality. My guess is with the breadth of features and quite amazing attention to detail, they needed 100% dedication to those efforts, and now a chunk of the company is doing something else, and now the product is falling apart But hey we have a totally new console engine or something so that's really nice (I've personally never used the console ...)
jghn 1y ago
I really keep trying to replace Jetbrains with VSCode, and I keep going back. VSCode is just so deficient in comparison in ways on which I depend. But yes, Jetbrains keeps making that statement harder and harder to make for me
jansan 1y ago
I agree, they should focus more on quality, because there are still a ton of tiny, yet annoying issues. In Webstorm it sometimes does not recognize comments (colorizes them as code), does not reliably recognize multi line ToDos, and frequently warns me in a if (myVar == null) that myVar may not have been initialized. At least the last issue is as old as the hills, has been reported several times, and yet they seem to be unable to properly fix it.
- icar 1y ago
  Just my two cents: For multi line ToDos, make sure the comment in the second line begins with a space.
  - jansan 1y ago
    Thanks, but I know that. Most of the time it works, sometimes it doesn't.
pacman1337 1y ago
Agree ever since Roman Elizarov left that company has gone downhill big time. Crashing all the time, stuff that should be rock solid because it so common. Like the other day syntax errors stopped being highlighted. I never update because every time something will be broken guaranteed.
- ilrwbwrkhv 1y ago
  Yeah Jetbrains is going down a very similar path to Borland.
- sgt 1y ago
  I don't know.. there are some plugins crashing, but I haven't experienced the whole IDE crashing in a long time. I regularly use PyCharm, IntelliJ, Android Studio and WebStorm. There's simply no alternative to those, in my opinion.
owlstuffing 1y ago
Downhill fast since JB hastily exited its offices in St. Petersburg and Novosibirsk. It’s no coincidence.

The whole Jetbrains product suite is sliding downhill quality wise. Can we go back to the days of yore where it was just a lightning fast Java code editor and it did that extremely well?

toyg 1y ago

> it was just a lightning fast Java code editor Uh, I don't think it's ever been "lightning fast"... Great at refactoring, navigation, and boilerplate generation, yeah; fast, no.

delusional 1y ago
It was actually known as the fast option. You have to remember that this was from a time where the alternatives were Eclipse and NetBeans. Lightweight vim/emacs style "text editor" IDE's (maybe except for hardcore configuration heavy plugin collections) hadn't come around yet.
- toyg 1y ago
  I guess if you compared it to those two, it definitely was faster ("lightning" though, really?). TBH, at the time, for Java I was happily using the likes of jEdit with a bunch of plugins, and for Microsoft stuff I had Visual Studio. Those editors were fast; IDEA had many advantages in comparison, but definitely not speed for me.
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Timon3 1y ago

This has also been my experience. Every update brings new weird bugs that disrupt my workflow - it's gotten bad enough that I've stopped updating their tools when the bugs aren't in main parts of my workflow, because while updates may fix those, they are sure to introduce even worse ones. And it's not like I'm doing crazy stuff, for a while even copying text made a "Copying..." dialog pop up and freeze the editor for a while. Unless something drastically changes, I won't be renewing my license anymore. I don't like VS Code, but it's been much more reliable than the Jetbrains tools I use.

throwuxiytayq 1y ago

Any specific reason you’d say that? I’ve been using Rider for years it has been strictly getting better with each version. (Please don’t disappoint me by saying “they added an optional feature and I don’t like it”)

misswaterfairy 1y ago
I'd say it would depend on the product. I understand there are different teams developing each IDE. They have had quite a few issues open for nearly a decade (I wish I was kidding) for features that had been quite sought after, that free tools have had for years.
clintonb 1y ago
I'm not OP, but agree that the tooling—DataGrip and WebStorm for me—is getting worse. Here are issues observed for the latest updates: - DataGrip sporadically stops working when returning from sleep. I have to force-kill it to continue. - Take a relatively empty file with 10 lines. WebStorm is supposed to reformat on save. It hangs for 10+ seconds or until I cancel reformatting. - I saw a low memory alert for the first time in months this week. My workflow hasn't changed drastically and I wasn't running anything, just editing a few files. - Overall everything feels a little slower than it did a couple weeks ago with the older version. I don't think it's worth filing issues in YouTrack because I've seen those go nowhere in the past.
HideousKojima 1y ago
Rider stands out because the competition for C# development is VS2022 and VSCode. VS2022 is bloated and slow, while VSCode is missing tons of important features. Can't really speak to how other JB offerings compare to their competitors, but Rider is best-in-class for C#/.NET.
rtsil 1y ago
I just spent half a day troubleshooting why PHPStorm suddenly took 15 minutes to become responsive. The cultprit was the built-in markdown plugin, probably after an update. I don't have time for that. Another annoying thing is they also removed the modal commit window in favor of a VS code style commit. It was removed without notification, and I had to install a plug-in to restore it. IDE UI is the most important thing for me, I've built muscle memory to use it without think. When they tinker with it, it forces me to think about the IDE instead of about what I'm working on, and that's really annoying. Not enough to lead me to change, for now.

Thaxll 1y ago

Being fast is not enough in 2025.

azemetre 1y ago
Yes it is, VSCode is so painfully slow. Maybe I have Vim brain rot but the input latency in VSCode is extremely noticeable and there's the whole having to use a mouse for proficiency that slows you down too. I'd pay decent money for an editor that could be faster than Neovim but until then they get my yearly donation. There's so much that can be gained solely on speed alone. Especially for JetBrains products here too.
- exitb 1y ago
  Sublime Text is in the business of being fast.
  - azemetre 1y ago
    Yes! Sublime Text 2 with vim mode was my jam for a solid 8 years and paid for a new license for every machine that let me. Haven't it used it since adopting neovim but I am happy that the Sublime team is still around and able to make a living on a good product.

switch007 1y ago

It really has. I had to disable the GitHub plugin to get rid of a PR comment box that wouldn't disappear. Junit test runs say No tests available about 50% of the time It feels slower and slower Today I started getting "unable to save settings" or something, no idea what that is about It really shows that they're distracted from quality. My guess is with the breadth of features and quite amazing attention to detail, they needed 100% dedication to those efforts, and now a chunk of the company is doing something else, and now the product is falling apart But hey we have a totally new console engine or something so that's really nice (I've personally never used the console ...)

jghn 1y ago

I really keep trying to replace Jetbrains with VSCode, and I keep going back. VSCode is just so deficient in comparison in ways on which I depend. But yes, Jetbrains keeps making that statement harder and harder to make for me

jansan 1y ago

I agree, they should focus more on quality, because there are still a ton of tiny, yet annoying issues. In Webstorm it sometimes does not recognize comments (colorizes them as code), does not reliably recognize multi line ToDos, and frequently warns me in a if (myVar == null) that myVar may not have been initialized. At least the last issue is as old as the hills, has been reported several times, and yet they seem to be unable to properly fix it.

icar 1y ago
Just my two cents: For multi line ToDos, make sure the comment in the second line begins with a space.
- jansan 1y ago
  Thanks, but I know that. Most of the time it works, sometimes it doesn't.

pacman1337 1y ago

Agree ever since Roman Elizarov left that company has gone downhill big time. Crashing all the time, stuff that should be rock solid because it so common. Like the other day syntax errors stopped being highlighted. I never update because every time something will be broken guaranteed.

ilrwbwrkhv 1y ago
Yeah Jetbrains is going down a very similar path to Borland.
sgt 1y ago
I don't know.. there are some plugins crashing, but I haven't experienced the whole IDE crashing in a long time. I regularly use PyCharm, IntelliJ, Android Studio and WebStorm. There's simply no alternative to those, in my opinion.

owlstuffing 1y ago

Downhill fast since JB hastily exited its offices in St. Petersburg and Novosibirsk. It’s no coincidence.