And those researchers at state schools will tell you that many of the Ivys, and other elite schools such as MIT and Caltech, are better. Some state schools are

And those researchers at state schools will tell you that many of the Ivys, and other elite schools such as MIT and Caltech, are better. Some state schools are among the elite, such as Berkeley, of course, and UCLA, Michigan ... depending on how large your 'elite' is.