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This sounds very strange: - What combat situation will require a military aircraft to be flying 30 meters from civilian jet doing routine flights? - i don’t

This sounds very strange: - What combat situation will require a military aircraft to be flying 30 meters from civilian jet doing routine flights? - i don’t believe that there really is no technical solution to provide awareness to civilians of the presence and location of military aircraft without altering the pilot’s experience - if it had told the Blackhawk crew a plane was way closer, the crew would still be alive. That’s like the whole point. I have no expertise or n the area, but I can’t share the feeling that decision making is extremely poor, and sometimes it actually takes an outsider, who is free from groupthink and cope, to see that a decision is stupid.

ceejayoz 1y ago
> What combat situation will require a military aircraft to be flying 30 meters from civilian jet doing routine flights? Evacuating leadership during a 9/11 scenario? > i don’t believe that there really is no technical solution to provide awareness to civilians of the presence and location of military aircraft without altering the pilot’s experience There is. That’s ADS-B. Which broadcasts your position. So it’s turned off in military aircraft at times, for obvious reasons.
- LeafItAlone 1y ago
  >So it’s turned off in military aircraft at times, for obvious reasons. Obvious reasons to me are in active military operations against an enemy. Not flying around the airport of the nation’s busiest runway and civilian populated areas.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    The article indicates it was a classified mission profile. Some things we keep secret even in peacetime.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> What combat situation will require a military aircraft to be flying 30 meters from civilian jet doing routine flights? Surprise commandeering a civilian airfield in enemy territory.
- ClumsyPilot 1y ago
  A civilian airport is huge both inside, has hectares of land area and thousands of staff. Given that this never happened to before, requires sneaking thousands of armed men into to USA and does not achieve anything obvious besides general terrorism, why do you believe this is relevant? And if someone did commandeer an airport, why would you evacuate the president instead of putting him in the panic room and flooding Washington with military and police?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    I'd note that it has absolutely happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid
    - ClumsyPilot 1y ago
      Oh common, Israel vs Uganda? > The entire operation lasted 53 minutes – of which the assault lasted only 30 minutes They did not even control of the whole airport, let alone for a prolonged period of time. they got the hostages out and GTFO’d.

ceejayoz 1y ago

> What combat situation will require a military aircraft to be flying 30 meters from civilian jet doing routine flights? Evacuating leadership during a 9/11 scenario? > i don’t believe that there really is no technical solution to provide awareness to civilians of the presence and location of military aircraft without altering the pilot’s experience There is. That’s ADS-B. Which broadcasts your position. So it’s turned off in military aircraft at times, for obvious reasons.

LeafItAlone 1y ago
>So it’s turned off in military aircraft at times, for obvious reasons. Obvious reasons to me are in active military operations against an enemy. Not flying around the airport of the nation’s busiest runway and civilian populated areas.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  The article indicates it was a classified mission profile. Some things we keep secret even in peacetime.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> What combat situation will require a military aircraft to be flying 30 meters from civilian jet doing routine flights? Surprise commandeering a civilian airfield in enemy territory.

ClumsyPilot 1y ago
A civilian airport is huge both inside, has hectares of land area and thousands of staff. Given that this never happened to before, requires sneaking thousands of armed men into to USA and does not achieve anything obvious besides general terrorism, why do you believe this is relevant? And if someone did commandeer an airport, why would you evacuate the president instead of putting him in the panic room and flooding Washington with military and police?
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  I'd note that it has absolutely happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid
  - ClumsyPilot 1y ago
    Oh common, Israel vs Uganda? > The entire operation lasted 53 minutes – of which the assault lasted only 30 minutes They did not even control of the whole airport, let alone for a prolonged period of time. they got the hostages out and GTFO’d.