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Body of Ukrainian journalist who died in Russian detention returned mutilated
- cosmicgadget 1y agoElectric shock torture on a noncombattant? I truly don't understand how you can have that much animus toward the people you are invading.
- fodmap 1y ago[flagged]
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- fodmap 1y agoWhat propaganda? What do you mean? Edit: I think it's a good time to read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_inva...
- drysine 1y agoLike this one from the first days of the war: "Ukraine has honoured 13 soldiers who were killed defending a tiny island after reportedly swearing at a Russian ship that ordered them to surrender. In unverified audio clips, the borders guards defending Zmiinyi Island in the Black Sea are told to "lay down your weapons" or "be bombed". "Russian warship, go to hell," they respond. Ukraine says they were then killed by air and sea strikes. Russia denies the account, saying they all surrendered. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has awarded each of the guards the posthumous title of "Hero of Ukraine". "On our Zmiinyi Island, defending it to the last, all the border guards died heroically," Mr Zelensky said." [0] This senseless slaughter in response to a verbal insult was used to the maximum extent by the Ukrainian regime propaganda to convince the population and the army to fight. All of it was a lie, of course. [1] I believed it too and was deeply shocked by the horrible news. Of course, this trick works only once. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60522454 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60522454 [1] https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-698897 https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-698897
- fodmap 1y agoI'm reporting about crimes against civilians. What you're posting is not related at all. It looks to me you're trying too hard to derail the conversation.
- drysine 1y agoYou asked what I meant by atrocity propaganda. I gave you an example of atrocity propaganda coming from Kiev. How is it not related? Now, how do you know that what you are "reporting" is not the same kind of story?
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- drysine 1y ago"independent"?
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- drysine 1y agoI looked at the article. There are two "sources": "Yuriy Belousov, who heads the war crimes department at the Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office, said that forensic examination found “numerous signs of torture and ill-treatment… including abrasions and hemorrhages on various parts of the body, a broken rib and possible traces of electric shock.” ... Roshchyna’s colleagues at Ukrainska Pravda said her body was returned from Russia with missing organs. Citing members of the investigating team who handled her remains, they said the brain, eyeballs and part of the trachea, or windpipe, were missing, in what they said could have been an attempt by Russia to disguise the cause of death. " Can you tell me why the head of the war crimes department talks about a broken rib but says nothing about "missing organs"? Quite odd, isn't it? Have you thought about it before asking if I condemn "the mutilation" of that woman?
- cosmicgadget 1y agoOh cool, we get to hear the Russian view on this. So are you saying this is totally fabricated or simply not representative of the larger invasion or what? Obviously countries create heroes and fabricate or embellish facts. But there's no shortage of neutral countries and journalists to sort fact from fiction - unless you happen to be so far gone that you think everything is NATO propaganda. There is also no shortage atrocities in this conflict, most of which perpetrated by your country.
- drysine 1y ago>But there's no shortage of neutral countries and journalists to sort fact from fiction Sure. Have you heard about Gonzalo Lira? [0] He was arrested by Ukrainian security services and died in prison. Apparently, sorting facts from fiction isn't safe thing to do in the Ukraine. >most of which perpetrated by your country What made you think that? Articles like this one? That is their purpose. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira
- fodmap 1y agoGonzalo Lira, a guy helping the Russian invader to commit their crimes. That's the guy you're talking about. And you try to use him as an example?
- cosmicgadget 1y agoI have heard of Gonzalo Lira, in fact. I did not realize his arrest somehow absolves your country of its many crimes in this war. Was that the point you were trying to make? Because it's a bad one. No one here has said or implied that anyone in this conflict is pure. But the disparity in war crimes is very large and heavily against your country.
- drysine 1y ago>But the disparity in war crimes is very large and heavily against your country. What made you think that?
- iJohnDoe 1y ago[flagged]