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> Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than t

> Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than that, and even the challengers were like, DeSantis and Haley? I guess you forgot about the corpse of Biden. Harris belongs in that "challengers" category except she had less support than DeSantis and Haley (from both Democrats and Republicans!). Harris has never received a vote in a presidential primary. The Democratic party enabled Trump to win by not forcing a clearly incapable Biden out of the race earlier, allowing them to run an actual primary and then choosing a terrible candidate because they backed themselves into a corner with identity politics. Remember, the Democratic party was totally fine with Biden until he was forced in front of the American people and they got as good of a look at him as the party had. That's how our system produces these horrible candidates. Each party acts in their own self-interest because they have a stranglehold over the electoral process.

999900000999 2y ago
It started in 2008. The Democratic party tried to rig it for Clinton. I'm sure she's a wonderful person in real life, but she's one of the most unpopular people to ever run for office. Obama actually is likeable, easily winning the primary and both elections. The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win. Biden was a rigged candidate too, but the pandemic swayed things in his direction. With Harris, the Dems decide to skip the rigged primary, the little people (the actual voters) don't need to have a say. Here's your moderate Republican from the mid 90s. At least the Republicans didn't rig every primary they've had since 2008. They don't play the super delegate dance. Well... Time to try and establish residency elsewhere.
- aweiland 2y ago
  They did cancel some primaries in 2019 to protect Trump or at least his feelings. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel-primaries-trump-challengers-1483126 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel...
  - 999900000999 2y ago
    That's different since generally you don't need a primary when your party is running for re election.
- theevilsharpie 2y ago
  > The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win. Sanders was a candidate in the Democratic primary (which is already a significant accommodation, with Sanders not even being a member of the Democratic party), and was strongly rejected by Democratic voters -- twice. The constant whining from Sanders fans about the DNC is simply annoying, and is basically the same conspiratorial thinking that MAGA adherents display when they complain about the "deep state".

999900000999 2y ago

It started in 2008. The Democratic party tried to rig it for Clinton. I'm sure she's a wonderful person in real life, but she's one of the most unpopular people to ever run for office. Obama actually is likeable, easily winning the primary and both elections. The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win. Biden was a rigged candidate too, but the pandemic swayed things in his direction. With Harris, the Dems decide to skip the rigged primary, the little people (the actual voters) don't need to have a say. Here's your moderate Republican from the mid 90s. At least the Republicans didn't rig every primary they've had since 2008. They don't play the super delegate dance. Well... Time to try and establish residency elsewhere.

aweiland 2y ago
They did cancel some primaries in 2019 to protect Trump or at least his feelings. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel-primaries-trump-challengers-1483126 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel...
- 999900000999 2y ago
  That's different since generally you don't need a primary when your party is running for re election.
theevilsharpie 2y ago
> The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win. Sanders was a candidate in the Democratic primary (which is already a significant accommodation, with Sanders not even being a member of the Democratic party), and was strongly rejected by Democratic voters -- twice. The constant whining from Sanders fans about the DNC is simply annoying, and is basically the same conspiratorial thinking that MAGA adherents display when they complain about the "deep state".