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By that argument, it sounds like schools in Finland have zero authority. How does punishment work? What's stopping a kid from going anywhere they want at any ti

By that argument, it sounds like schools in Finland have zero authority. How does punishment work? What's stopping a kid from going anywhere they want at any time or doing litterally anything that isn't outright illegal? If Finnish children have the same rights as adults, does that mean the children are also subject to the same legal punishment as adults? Can a Finnish child be jailed or fined for the likes of theft, assault, or battery?

sureIy 1y ago
I don't know, but I would hope that it works because parents are expected to teach their children to behave. Also just because they can't take their phone or punish them, it doesn't mean that they can't suspend students or fail them.
- CivBase 1y ago
  > I don't know, but I would hope that it works because parents are expected to teach their children to behave. Unfortunately that hasn't proven to be a reliable method here in the United States :( > Also just because they can't take their phone or punish them, it doesn't mean that they can't suspend students or fail them. I'm not a teacher but my wife is so I can only speak to what I've heard from her. And by her accounts, out-of-school suspention is ineffective because you're essentially rewarding misbehaving children with not having to come to school. She also isn't allowed to lower a student's grade for behavioral issues. Their grade is supposed to be purely a reflection of how well the know the material defined by the curriculum.
  - sureIy 1y ago
    I'm aware that the US isn't Finland, what works in the latter might not work in other places. The US has gone to the far end of FREEDOM and is paying the consequences. Certain countries managed to reached an acceptable level of disciplined freedom.
lotu 1y ago
Presumably there are laws that give teachers some rights to act in the place of parents and control students. However those laws did not include the ability to confiscate property preemptively.

sureIy 1y ago

I don't know, but I would hope that it works because parents are expected to teach their children to behave. Also just because they can't take their phone or punish them, it doesn't mean that they can't suspend students or fail them.

CivBase 1y ago
> I don't know, but I would hope that it works because parents are expected to teach their children to behave. Unfortunately that hasn't proven to be a reliable method here in the United States :( > Also just because they can't take their phone or punish them, it doesn't mean that they can't suspend students or fail them. I'm not a teacher but my wife is so I can only speak to what I've heard from her. And by her accounts, out-of-school suspention is ineffective because you're essentially rewarding misbehaving children with not having to come to school. She also isn't allowed to lower a student's grade for behavioral issues. Their grade is supposed to be purely a reflection of how well the know the material defined by the curriculum.
- sureIy 1y ago
  I'm aware that the US isn't Finland, what works in the latter might not work in other places. The US has gone to the far end of FREEDOM and is paying the consequences. Certain countries managed to reached an acceptable level of disciplined freedom.

lotu 1y ago

Presumably there are laws that give teachers some rights to act in the place of parents and control students. However those laws did not include the ability to confiscate property preemptively.