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My family is mostly Trump supporters and you might be glamorizing them. Sadly, it's mostly just cult of personality which I figure you are graciously trying to

My family is mostly Trump supporters and you might be glamorizing them. Sadly, it's mostly just cult of personality which I figure you are graciously trying to avoid assuming. Tariffs are the perfect example of this. Trump announces tariffs? Good, we need long-term investment in domestic production. Trump cancels them? Good, they are just a short-term negotiation tactic. Trump negotiates a trade deal? Good, now we get a better deal on imports from that country. Trump says tariffs are back on the table? Good, we need domestic production long-term. There are no macro-level complex system ideals here. Pinning them down to one claim is like fighting jelly where on every strike it morphs into something else.

tim333 2y ago
>just cult of personality I guess saying you don't understand tariff consequences and the like but you trust Trump to know what he's doing and make things great could be a reasonable position? I'm hazy on some economics myself but don't especially trust Trump to make thing great. But I did kind of trust some previous presidents to do a decent job without following all the policies. (Clinton and Obama seemed quite good).
- mgkimsal 2y ago
  > but you trust Trump to know what he's doing In 2016 that might have been a reasonable position without digging too much in to his background/history. But we've had years of him in and out of office now, repeatedly lying. Lying about big things, small things, changing the lies, doubling down on the lies. Threatening people who question any of his lies in even the most polite/positive way possible. Why anyone today would "trust" him on anything is just... insane.
  - tim333 2y ago
    But a lot of people voted for him. I think a couple of the main issues people voted for him on were cutting illegal immigration and cutting down on wokery and in fairness he's been effective there. If he just stopped with that and changed nothing else I think he'd be pretty popular. Sadly not though.
selimthegrim 2y ago
I live in Louisiana. This is absolutely cult of personality all the way down. I have no idea what the guy/gal upthread is talking about otherwise. In 2016 I definitely saw ads from churches in Mississippi on local cable TV that were totally outright political advocacy combined with cult of personality. I was so astonished, I almost filed a complaint with the FEC/IRS. But to top it off, I remember very well an ad of Trump’s that said “I’ll make every dream you ever dreamed come true.”

tim333 2y ago

>just cult of personality I guess saying you don't understand tariff consequences and the like but you trust Trump to know what he's doing and make things great could be a reasonable position? I'm hazy on some economics myself but don't especially trust Trump to make thing great. But I did kind of trust some previous presidents to do a decent job without following all the policies. (Clinton and Obama seemed quite good).

mgkimsal 2y ago
> but you trust Trump to know what he's doing In 2016 that might have been a reasonable position without digging too much in to his background/history. But we've had years of him in and out of office now, repeatedly lying. Lying about big things, small things, changing the lies, doubling down on the lies. Threatening people who question any of his lies in even the most polite/positive way possible. Why anyone today would "trust" him on anything is just... insane.
- tim333 2y ago
  But a lot of people voted for him. I think a couple of the main issues people voted for him on were cutting illegal immigration and cutting down on wokery and in fairness he's been effective there. If he just stopped with that and changed nothing else I think he'd be pretty popular. Sadly not though.

selimthegrim 2y ago

I live in Louisiana. This is absolutely cult of personality all the way down. I have no idea what the guy/gal upthread is talking about otherwise. In 2016 I definitely saw ads from churches in Mississippi on local cable TV that were totally outright political advocacy combined with cult of personality. I was so astonished, I almost filed a complaint with the FEC/IRS. But to top it off, I remember very well an ad of Trump’s that said “I’ll make every dream you ever dreamed come true.”