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IMO For impact on normal people's day-to-day life, the suspension of the de minimis rule that allowed boxes under $800 declared value (i.e., construction cost)

IMO For impact on normal people's day-to-day life, the suspension of the de minimis rule that allowed boxes under $800 declared value (i.e., construction cost) to be imported with no tariff will have more of an impact than any other recent change. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/what-the-end-of-the-de-minimis-exemption-could-mean-for-your-online-orders https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/what-the-end-of-the-de-...

Aurornis 2y ago
I think you’re underestimating how many products have inputs that come from China and overestimating how many direct-ship packages the average person receives internationally.
- dylan604 2y ago
  The GP sounds more like someone that routinely bought from places like Shein, Temu, etc.
sigwinch 2y ago
Taxpayers as a group will pay $1 for each $0.50 collected on that. We are not yet on track for a net savings on spending.
clumsysmurf 2y ago
I never shopped Temu / Shein but got lots of electronics from AliExpress. My last purchase was a spectrometer, I would never be able to afford it now with tariffs + de minimus gone. I think this will hurt the DIY / Maker / IoT community hard.
- c22 2y ago
  The DIY / Maker crowd seems the most insulated from this, being in a prime position to recycle and repurpose materials that are already here to make their own tools.
arrobbiato 2y ago
Some of that impact will be positive, as de minimis shipments are a major route for importing drugs and their precursors into the US: https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/buyer-beware-bad-actors-exploit-de-minimis-shipments https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/buyer-beware-bad-actors-exploi...
- dralley 2y ago
  And strip searching everyone who enters a school building would have a positive impact on the rate of school shootings. Over-enforcement creates its own major issues. The cure is worse than the disease.
  - arrobbiato 2y ago
    We don't have 120,000 school shooting deaths a year, but we do have that many overdose fatalities. I'd say the cure is just fine in this case.
    - dralley 2y ago
      If searching every single de minimis package would actually save 120,000 lives a year, I might even agree with you. But it would not. It would accomplish next to nothing. To say nothing of the fact that fentanyl is not just a supply issue, the supply would just shift to other routes of ingress.
      - arrobbiato 2y ago
        I'll refer you to the article I sent, which you seem not to have read. Or this one: https://thecityvoice.org/2024/10/18/de-minimis-the-us-law-that-fuels-the-fentanyl-epidemic/ https://thecityvoice.org/2024/10/18/de-minimis-the-us-law-th...
dawnerd 2y ago
That doesn’t apply to the containers Walmart/ bestbuy/ target/ etc import. They’re going to pay the insane tariffs but spread the cost over all of their inventory to help hide it from consumers. No matter what prices will go up. The locally sourced higher volume goods like food will end up subsidizing slower moving items like TVs.

Aurornis 2y ago

I think you’re underestimating how many products have inputs that come from China and overestimating how many direct-ship packages the average person receives internationally.

dylan604 2y ago
The GP sounds more like someone that routinely bought from places like Shein, Temu, etc.

sigwinch 2y ago

Taxpayers as a group will pay $1 for each $0.50 collected on that. We are not yet on track for a net savings on spending.

clumsysmurf 2y ago

I never shopped Temu / Shein but got lots of electronics from AliExpress. My last purchase was a spectrometer, I would never be able to afford it now with tariffs + de minimus gone. I think this will hurt the DIY / Maker / IoT community hard.

c22 2y ago
The DIY / Maker crowd seems the most insulated from this, being in a prime position to recycle and repurpose materials that are already here to make their own tools.

arrobbiato 2y ago

Some of that impact will be positive, as de minimis shipments are a major route for importing drugs and their precursors into the US: https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/buyer-beware-bad-actors-exploit-de-minimis-shipments https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/buyer-beware-bad-actors-exploi...

dralley 2y ago
And strip searching everyone who enters a school building would have a positive impact on the rate of school shootings. Over-enforcement creates its own major issues. The cure is worse than the disease.
- arrobbiato 2y ago
  We don't have 120,000 school shooting deaths a year, but we do have that many overdose fatalities. I'd say the cure is just fine in this case.
  - dralley 2y ago
    If searching every single de minimis package would actually save 120,000 lives a year, I might even agree with you. But it would not. It would accomplish next to nothing. To say nothing of the fact that fentanyl is not just a supply issue, the supply would just shift to other routes of ingress.
    - arrobbiato 2y ago
      I'll refer you to the article I sent, which you seem not to have read. Or this one: https://thecityvoice.org/2024/10/18/de-minimis-the-us-law-that-fuels-the-fentanyl-epidemic/ https://thecityvoice.org/2024/10/18/de-minimis-the-us-law-th...

dawnerd 2y ago

That doesn’t apply to the containers Walmart/ bestbuy/ target/ etc import. They’re going to pay the insane tariffs but spread the cost over all of their inventory to help hide it from consumers. No matter what prices will go up. The locally sourced higher volume goods like food will end up subsidizing slower moving items like TVs.