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No. Unless you want the US added to the list of countries where the advice to tourists is "Don't drink the water". Water additives are proven to improve the h

by RajT88 2y ago

No. Unless you want the US added to the list of countries where the advice to tourists is "Don't drink the water". Water additives are proven to improve the health of the populace. There are corner cases, and we can debate appropriate levels, but an outright ban of all additives is regressive. There seems to be a lot of regressive attitudes going around these days. See: Measles outbreak.

amazingamazing 2y ago
water additives are used to remove bad things in the water. so in effect the additives exist to actually move the water qualify closer to the "default", not "enhance" it. if tap water was literally h20 and nothing else the additives would be unnecessary, no? as far as measles go, people have the right to not get vaccinated if they choose - it's dumb, though and others have the right to not let them participate in things since they're not vaccinated, too. it's not really analogous to the fluoride thing at all anyway.
- RajT88 2y ago
  Default water, lol. What an incredibly, terribly, dumb argument. There is no such thing as "Default Water" - it neither exists in nature, nor in man-made systems. Good luck with that. We can - and should - modify our our systems in the interests of public health. Nothing comes without corner cases which impact people like you - them's the breaks. Life isn't fair, but we are engineering a society for the benefit of almost everyone in it. People can choose not to drink flouridated tap water if they want - building a well isn't that expensive, although you will probably need a treatment system because of the naturally occurring stuff (minerals, hydrogen sulphide, possibly excess flouride and other stuff). "Freedom isn't free", as they like to say. You may have to invest in your "freedom" to drink the water you want to drink. You will have to pay the price of your kids not getting vaccinated - they may not be able to go to public schools. There are much bigger hills worth dying on (see: Flint, MI). Leave the wildly successful public health programs alone.
  - amazingamazing 2y ago
    > People can choose not to drink flouridated tap water if they want - building a well isn't that expensive, although you will probably need a treatment system because of the naturally occurring stuff (minerals, hydrogen sulphide, possibly excess flouride and other stuff). that's hilarious because brushing your teeth is more effective, and cheaper than adding fluoride to water. I'm sure people in Manhattan will really get on building those wells. at the end of the day there's not a single paper that actually says ingesting fluoride is water. they all correlate incidental fluoride contact on the teeth, due to it being in the water. fact is, brushing your teeth is more effective and has no downsides. ingesting fluoride is bad and is discouraged literally not only by all dentists, but this fact is present on all toothpaste in the usa.
    - RajT88 2y ago
      Thank you for demonstrating that you don't understand how public health programs work.
      - amazingamazing 2y ago
        [flagged]
        RajT88 2y ago
        More bad faith talking points - which have been addressed by other commenters in other sub-threads responding to you. (I am able to read those, you know) This is a dead horse. You're in the wrong. Please do not engage with me any more.
        amazingamazing 2y ago
        they haven't though. feel free to post a paper showing that fluoride ingestion is good for you. there's no dispute that fluoride contact on the teeth is good. there are plenty of papers showing that *ingestion* may be bad for you and results in lower IQ. feel free to research. https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/com...
- yakz 2y ago
  > if tap water was literally h20 and nothing else the additives would be unnecessary, no? Pure water is not particularly healthy to drink, and may be bad for your plumbing.
  - amazingamazing 2y ago
    true
k12sosse 2y ago
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triceratops 2y ago
Tourists don't stay long enough for the presence or absence of fluoride in water to matter to them. Pathogen- and contaminant-free water are the only priority for them. Stories like Flint would probably do more to scare tourists about US tap water.

by RajT88 2y ago

amazingamazing 2y ago

water additives are used to remove bad things in the water. so in effect the additives exist to actually move the water qualify closer to the "default", not "enhance" it. if tap water was literally h20 and nothing else the additives would be unnecessary, no? as far as measles go, people have the right to not get vaccinated if they choose - it's dumb, though and others have the right to not let them participate in things since they're not vaccinated, too. it's not really analogous to the fluoride thing at all anyway.

RajT88 2y ago
Default water, lol. What an incredibly, terribly, dumb argument. There is no such thing as "Default Water" - it neither exists in nature, nor in man-made systems. Good luck with that. We can - and should - modify our our systems in the interests of public health. Nothing comes without corner cases which impact people like you - them's the breaks. Life isn't fair, but we are engineering a society for the benefit of almost everyone in it. People can choose not to drink flouridated tap water if they want - building a well isn't that expensive, although you will probably need a treatment system because of the naturally occurring stuff (minerals, hydrogen sulphide, possibly excess flouride and other stuff). "Freedom isn't free", as they like to say. You may have to invest in your "freedom" to drink the water you want to drink. You will have to pay the price of your kids not getting vaccinated - they may not be able to go to public schools. There are much bigger hills worth dying on (see: Flint, MI). Leave the wildly successful public health programs alone.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  > People can choose not to drink flouridated tap water if they want - building a well isn't that expensive, although you will probably need a treatment system because of the naturally occurring stuff (minerals, hydrogen sulphide, possibly excess flouride and other stuff). that's hilarious because brushing your teeth is more effective, and cheaper than adding fluoride to water. I'm sure people in Manhattan will really get on building those wells. at the end of the day there's not a single paper that actually says ingesting fluoride is water. they all correlate incidental fluoride contact on the teeth, due to it being in the water. fact is, brushing your teeth is more effective and has no downsides. ingesting fluoride is bad and is discouraged literally not only by all dentists, but this fact is present on all toothpaste in the usa.
  - RajT88 2y ago
    Thank you for demonstrating that you don't understand how public health programs work.
    - amazingamazing 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - RajT88 2y ago
        More bad faith talking points - which have been addressed by other commenters in other sub-threads responding to you. (I am able to read those, you know) This is a dead horse. You're in the wrong. Please do not engage with me any more.
        amazingamazing 2y ago
        they haven't though. feel free to post a paper showing that fluoride ingestion is good for you. there's no dispute that fluoride contact on the teeth is good. there are plenty of papers showing that *ingestion* may be bad for you and results in lower IQ. feel free to research. https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/com...
yakz 2y ago
> if tap water was literally h20 and nothing else the additives would be unnecessary, no? Pure water is not particularly healthy to drink, and may be bad for your plumbing.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  true

k12sosse 2y ago

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triceratops 2y ago

Tourists don't stay long enough for the presence or absence of fluoride in water to matter to them. Pathogen- and contaminant-free water are the only priority for them. Stories like Flint would probably do more to scare tourists about US tap water.