Yep. 3 Months ago: > The implicit justification for valuing Tesla now is not "we sell good cars", it is state capture. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43

Yep. 3 Months ago: > The implicit justification for valuing Tesla now is not "we sell good cars", it is state capture. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43023325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43023325 Indeed I also heard it in context of South Africa. But Wikipedia also has other, earlier examples too.