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Dunno about the author, but linking to habr.com is bad taste at best. This is the biggest Russian IT resource that contributes to the Russian economy and thus

Dunno about the author, but linking to habr.com is bad taste at best. This is the biggest Russian IT resource that contributes to the Russian economy and thus to the war effort. By comparison, I unpublished everything there and asked to delete my account in Feb, 2022, just after the full-fledged invasion of Ukraine started.

parrit 1y ago
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- sam_lowry_ 1y ago
  I don't. Neither does my current client. Actually, I wonder if I should start a consulting business to help others clear the skies from US clouds. Anyone? /s
- regnull 1y ago
  Ah yes, classic. Here's a helpful guide: - This never happened - They deserved it - They did it themselves - What about Iraq?
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moralestapia 1y ago
Let's focus on the content rather than the form. Similar things could be said about the US, excluding 90% of websites.
ivan_gammel 1y ago
Cancel culture at its finest. Look at the company registration address: Habr Blockchain Publishing Ltd. Diagorou 4 Kermia Building, 6th floor flat/office 601 1097 Nicosia Cyprus You as a Western customer currently have no way to pay to a Russian legal entity, meaning that VAT and corporate income taxes from your payments are paid in EU and probably supporting Ukraine. I highly doubt that owners repatriate the profits to Russia or they cover operational costs in Russia from foreign income. It is also possible that part of that income goes into salaries of the staff which emigrated after 24.02.2022 and works for Habr remotely, as it happened with many Russian IT companies. So question is, do you have any specific evidence that your money would fund the war or it is just application of collective responsibility?
- regnull 1y ago
  Russian companies are commonly registered in Cyprus, and the money flow back to Russia. Source: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2023/11/14/dirty-money-and-russian-riches-flow-through-cyprus-a-gateway-to-the-eu_6255018_8.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2023/11/14/d...
  - ivan_gammel 1y ago
    I am certainly well aware of that. However this proves nothing and my question still stands. Not every company founded by Russians on Cyprus is a money-laundering or a war-funding enterprise. Tax optimization - yes, everyone does that. Friendly jurisdiction - yes, and now more than ever, if you are Russian, you want to do business but stay away from Russian government. A lot of people actually moved to Cyprus because they were opposing the war. Is there any specific evidence that Habr supports the war? This is not a rhetoric question, I expect the answer and I'm fine if the answer is yes.
    - lostmsu 1y ago
      They perpetrate Russian censorship.
    - regnull 1y ago
      We are not talking about convicting them in a court of law. It's perfectly fine to refuse to deal with Russian companies because every ruble they pay in taxes goes to support the war. When the whole society (and yes, regular people too) are in favor of waging a war of their neighbor, refusing to deal with their companies should and must become the default way of action.
      - ivan_gammel 1y ago
        Maybe you should read this then: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment Just like with BDS in case of Israel, this principle is incompatible with Western values. If you apply collective punishment to Russia, how are you different from them?
tuyguntn 1y ago
> This is the biggest Russian IT resource that contributes to the Russian economy and thus to the war effort. US economy contributes to endless wars in Middle East, crippling economies in South American countries. Commenting in HackerNews is bad taste at best.
- regnull 1y ago
  OK, and you would be right to boycott US economy and refuse to cooperate with the US companies if this is your conviction. But I guess you are not doing this, since you are commenting on Hacker News, run by Y Combinator, a US company?
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toenail 1y ago
I guess I should delete my hn account. They pay taxes in the US which is used to fund countless wars all over the world.
- sixQuarks 1y ago
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  - blks 1y ago
    USA gives tons of money and ammunition to Israel.
- sam_lowry_ 1y ago
  Maybe one day, but so far I see one important difference. Russia is highly centralized, so whoever operates in Russia has to not only abide by its laws, but actively collaborate with the regime. There is still a fair amount of dissent and chaos in US business circles. But business leaders are shamefully silent in US indeed. I'd hope bg and pg and zuck and besos to take clear positions on tariffs, for instance.
  - ivan_gammel 1y ago
    >Russia is highly centralized, so whoever operates in Russia has to not only abide by its laws, but actively collaborate with the regime. You are saying this based on what? Do you have any relationship to Russia, have you visited it after the war started or you just read the newspapers? Yes, there are some businesses receiving the direct calls from the government and I'm aware of several examples where they just tell "f. off" to a very senior official. Among the rest the level of cooperation or resistance varies from unstoppable patriotic propaganda and fundraising to CEO tipping employees about military recruiters during the mobilization campaign and relocating staff abroad. Russia is certainly not as centralized as you might think.
- TiredOfLife 1y ago
  There is a tiny differenence between donating equipment to countries being invaded or under constant missile attacks (US) and actively invading a country with the stated official goal of exterminating local population (Russia)
xyst 1y ago
I didn’t know this and thanks for sharing. Glad I run ad blockers (no ad revenue for them). Not sure why there are so many salty comments. Russian invasion of Ukraine represents a regression to colonialism.
- pydry 1y ago
  Coz colonialism never went away - Iraq, Afghanistan, the CIA overthrow of multiple elected governments, the French yoke over Africa, the Hague invasion act, etc. As OP points out you can boycott Hacker News too if you want to take a principled stance on any group tangenially linked to colonialism.
  - MOARDONGZPLZ 1y ago
    To be fair, one can take a principled stance based on the nexus to the bad thing and the practical effects. It’s pretty undeniable that Russian invasion of Ukraine and the context around it makes it the worst active example of colonialism.
    - pydry 1y ago
      Not even close. The Israeli genocide is the worst active example of modern colonial behavior. It mirrors very closely the Nazi genocide both in intent (i.e. ethnic cleansing of the untermensch) and actions (trying to dump the untermensch in africa first and then graduating to genocide).
- close04 1y ago
  > Not sure why there are so many salty comments. Russian invasion of Ukraine represents a regression to colonialism. Reads to me like the people have no problem with the idea of boycotting countries or products one doesn't align with as much as OP's apparent hypocrisy and selective application of his reasons. But I say "apparent" because he doesn't flat out condemn invasions. He says he had no problem with the smaller scale invasion going back to 2014, or the many other invasions around the world, they were fine. Only the "full-fledged invasion of Ukraine" in 2022 crossed the boycott threshold for him. This could leave a bad taste at best for some fellow HNers.
klntsky 1y ago
Moreover, habr is a great example why you should not let your site be 'out of politics' (which basically means making a silent deal with fsb to let their ambassadors roam free in the comment section for the luxury of not being blocked). At a certain point in time the site pivoted from being somewhat anti-censorship to a cesspot full of turbonormies, all because of the owners desire to stay highly monetized. There is nothing they would not force you to accept if you are only interested in views and money, but you will get neither in the end.
- karamanolev 1y ago
  I don't believe the regime in Russia (and potentially many other places) will allow your site to be "out of politics" in the classic western-democratic sense. If I understand correct, it either exists (and in unison with the regime) or it just ... doesn't exist. There might be an option if it's really small, then the FSB simply isn't interested. If it becomes big enough, you don't get the option.
- dimava 1y ago
  Habr is a great example why you should force your site to be 'out of politics' if you want senseful discussions Otherwise half of threads will be about Nazis by Godwin's law [0] Like this one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [0] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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parrit 1y ago

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sam_lowry_ 1y ago
I don't. Neither does my current client. Actually, I wonder if I should start a consulting business to help others clear the skies from US clouds. Anyone? /s
regnull 1y ago
Ah yes, classic. Here's a helpful guide: - This never happened - They deserved it - They did it themselves - What about Iraq?
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moralestapia 1y ago

Let's focus on the content rather than the form. Similar things could be said about the US, excluding 90% of websites.

ivan_gammel 1y ago

Cancel culture at its finest. Look at the company registration address: Habr Blockchain Publishing Ltd. Diagorou 4 Kermia Building, 6th floor flat/office 601 1097 Nicosia Cyprus You as a Western customer currently have no way to pay to a Russian legal entity, meaning that VAT and corporate income taxes from your payments are paid in EU and probably supporting Ukraine. I highly doubt that owners repatriate the profits to Russia or they cover operational costs in Russia from foreign income. It is also possible that part of that income goes into salaries of the staff which emigrated after 24.02.2022 and works for Habr remotely, as it happened with many Russian IT companies. So question is, do you have any specific evidence that your money would fund the war or it is just application of collective responsibility?

regnull 1y ago
Russian companies are commonly registered in Cyprus, and the money flow back to Russia. Source: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2023/11/14/dirty-money-and-russian-riches-flow-through-cyprus-a-gateway-to-the-eu_6255018_8.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2023/11/14/d...
- ivan_gammel 1y ago
  I am certainly well aware of that. However this proves nothing and my question still stands. Not every company founded by Russians on Cyprus is a money-laundering or a war-funding enterprise. Tax optimization - yes, everyone does that. Friendly jurisdiction - yes, and now more than ever, if you are Russian, you want to do business but stay away from Russian government. A lot of people actually moved to Cyprus because they were opposing the war. Is there any specific evidence that Habr supports the war? This is not a rhetoric question, I expect the answer and I'm fine if the answer is yes.
  - lostmsu 1y ago
    They perpetrate Russian censorship.
  - regnull 1y ago
    We are not talking about convicting them in a court of law. It's perfectly fine to refuse to deal with Russian companies because every ruble they pay in taxes goes to support the war. When the whole society (and yes, regular people too) are in favor of waging a war of their neighbor, refusing to deal with their companies should and must become the default way of action.
    - ivan_gammel 1y ago
      Maybe you should read this then: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment Just like with BDS in case of Israel, this principle is incompatible with Western values. If you apply collective punishment to Russia, how are you different from them?

tuyguntn 1y ago

> This is the biggest Russian IT resource that contributes to the Russian economy and thus to the war effort. US economy contributes to endless wars in Middle East, crippling economies in South American countries. Commenting in HackerNews is bad taste at best.

regnull 1y ago
OK, and you would be right to boycott US economy and refuse to cooperate with the US companies if this is your conviction. But I guess you are not doing this, since you are commenting on Hacker News, run by Y Combinator, a US company?

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toenail 1y ago

I guess I should delete my hn account. They pay taxes in the US which is used to fund countless wars all over the world.

sixQuarks 1y ago
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- blks 1y ago
  USA gives tons of money and ammunition to Israel.
sam_lowry_ 1y ago
Maybe one day, but so far I see one important difference. Russia is highly centralized, so whoever operates in Russia has to not only abide by its laws, but actively collaborate with the regime. There is still a fair amount of dissent and chaos in US business circles. But business leaders are shamefully silent in US indeed. I'd hope bg and pg and zuck and besos to take clear positions on tariffs, for instance.
- ivan_gammel 1y ago
  >Russia is highly centralized, so whoever operates in Russia has to not only abide by its laws, but actively collaborate with the regime. You are saying this based on what? Do you have any relationship to Russia, have you visited it after the war started or you just read the newspapers? Yes, there are some businesses receiving the direct calls from the government and I'm aware of several examples where they just tell "f. off" to a very senior official. Among the rest the level of cooperation or resistance varies from unstoppable patriotic propaganda and fundraising to CEO tipping employees about military recruiters during the mobilization campaign and relocating staff abroad. Russia is certainly not as centralized as you might think.
TiredOfLife 1y ago
There is a tiny differenence between donating equipment to countries being invaded or under constant missile attacks (US) and actively invading a country with the stated official goal of exterminating local population (Russia)

xyst 1y ago

I didn’t know this and thanks for sharing. Glad I run ad blockers (no ad revenue for them). Not sure why there are so many salty comments. Russian invasion of Ukraine represents a regression to colonialism.

pydry 1y ago
Coz colonialism never went away - Iraq, Afghanistan, the CIA overthrow of multiple elected governments, the French yoke over Africa, the Hague invasion act, etc. As OP points out you can boycott Hacker News too if you want to take a principled stance on any group tangenially linked to colonialism.
- MOARDONGZPLZ 1y ago
  To be fair, one can take a principled stance based on the nexus to the bad thing and the practical effects. It’s pretty undeniable that Russian invasion of Ukraine and the context around it makes it the worst active example of colonialism.
  - pydry 1y ago
    Not even close. The Israeli genocide is the worst active example of modern colonial behavior. It mirrors very closely the Nazi genocide both in intent (i.e. ethnic cleansing of the untermensch) and actions (trying to dump the untermensch in africa first and then graduating to genocide).
close04 1y ago
> Not sure why there are so many salty comments. Russian invasion of Ukraine represents a regression to colonialism. Reads to me like the people have no problem with the idea of boycotting countries or products one doesn't align with as much as OP's apparent hypocrisy and selective application of his reasons. But I say "apparent" because he doesn't flat out condemn invasions. He says he had no problem with the smaller scale invasion going back to 2014, or the many other invasions around the world, they were fine. Only the "full-fledged invasion of Ukraine" in 2022 crossed the boycott threshold for him. This could leave a bad taste at best for some fellow HNers.

klntsky 1y ago

Moreover, habr is a great example why you should not let your site be 'out of politics' (which basically means making a silent deal with fsb to let their ambassadors roam free in the comment section for the luxury of not being blocked). At a certain point in time the site pivoted from being somewhat anti-censorship to a cesspot full of turbonormies, all because of the owners desire to stay highly monetized. There is nothing they would not force you to accept if you are only interested in views and money, but you will get neither in the end.

karamanolev 1y ago
I don't believe the regime in Russia (and potentially many other places) will allow your site to be "out of politics" in the classic western-democratic sense. If I understand correct, it either exists (and in unison with the regime) or it just ... doesn't exist. There might be an option if it's really small, then the FSB simply isn't interested. If it becomes big enough, you don't get the option.
dimava 1y ago
Habr is a great example why you should force your site to be 'out of politics' if you want senseful discussions Otherwise half of threads will be about Nazis by Godwin's law [0] Like this one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [0] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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