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Put another way, Florida supports the right of informed consent with regard to fluoride treatment. As a thyroid cancer survivor I decline that treatment due to

Put another way, Florida supports the right of informed consent with regard to fluoride treatment. As a thyroid cancer survivor I decline that treatment due to fluoride competing with iodine for receptors and causing goiters and tumors as a result. The only reason I can decline is that I'm using well water rather than a public system. Now people in Florida can all choose. I'm pro choice on abortion too for the same reason: Your body your choice.

iluvcommunism 2y ago
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hnthrow90348765 2y ago
What are the options for adding fluoride back to water for a home?
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  why would you want this? brush your teeth or swish with high concentration fluoride mouthwash. there's actually no benefit of ingesting fluoridated water. any benefit is simply incidental since it must touch your teeth down the hatch. don't take my word for it - go read the papers yourself, they all say as much. Or to put it another way, would pumping fluoride to your stomach help your teeth? I hope you know the answer. literally every toothpaste in the united states explicitly says to spit, not swallow. there's a reason for that.
  - hnthrow90348765 2y ago
    Narrarator: "There wasn't a choice after all"
  - status_quo69 2y ago
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2925001/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2925001/ Not everyone has impeccable brushing habits and reducing cavities is a net benefit to public health like sanitation departments. I would be more interested to see a source as to why you think there's no benefit to fluorinated water when there are studies that are a quick search away for fluorinated water.
    - amazingamazing 2y ago
      > reducing cavities is a net benefit to public health like sanitation departments what is the connection between reducing cavities and sanitation departments? cavities are not communicable. Also, the paper you linked is my point. there's no actual benefit of ingestion. the effect is purely incidental. it's more effective to apply fluoride to the teeth. nowhere does it actually explain that drinking it is what is beneficial. the difference in the incidence of caries is because by fluoridating the water it obviously will touch teeth, which has well known positive effects. the main conclusion of the paper is what everyone should hopefully know already - brush your teeth regularly with fluoride toothpaste. out of curiosity, would you be OK with vitamins being added to the water? most people are deficient in many.
      - pjc50 2y ago
        > would you be OK with vitamins being added to the water? Provided there's reasonable scientific evidence that this is fine and effective and not expensive, I don't see why not. I don't think I've ever seen it proposed.
        amazingamazing 2y ago
        that is good to know. fundamentally we'll have to agree to disagree. I do not agree with experimentation with the populace's water supply as a matter of principal. fyi there's already plenty of evidence that supplements are useful for those that are sufficient. of course the main counter argument is that if you're eating a balanced diet supplements are unnecessary (which is true). though that's just about as helpful as saying water fluoridation is unnecessary because you can brush your teeth (which is also true).
        ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
        Whilst I can see your point of view, I think that fluoride in water is an issue that provoked knee-jerk reactions. Here in the UK, there's areas with and without fluoridisation - the reason being that naturally the water in different areas has different fluoride concentrations with some areas having no need for adding fluoride as it's already there. The benefits were very easy to determine as (presumably) cavities were more common in those areas with low fluoride content, so it's less about experimentation and more about ensuring that more people can gain the same benefit.
1oooqooq 2y ago
it probably don't make a big difference even in your case. in the water system quantities and peer reviewed studies dosages, the psychological impacts are more real than iodine absorption. flouride is not added today for teeth health (distributing mouth wash would do a better job) but it helps keep the water good for drinking, together with stuff like chlorine, which change by region. ... the real reason here is: it's as divisive and harder to reach an informed conclusion either way, just like abortion. oh American politics.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  there is not a consensus on fluoride in drinking water. see the intro here (this particular paper concludes fluoride is overall good): https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/711915 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/711915
spauka 2y ago
Without comment on the question of health benefits or harms, I'm curious whether you've had the well water you use tested. Fluoride concentrations in bore-well water varies quite widely, and concentrations higher than fluoridated tap water not uncommon. There are several areas here (in Aus) where fluoride is removed to reach the recommended concentration of 0.5-1.1 ppm. This obviously varies based on location.
cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
“It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.”

iluvcommunism 2y ago

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hnthrow90348765 2y ago

What are the options for adding fluoride back to water for a home?

amazingamazing 2y ago
why would you want this? brush your teeth or swish with high concentration fluoride mouthwash. there's actually no benefit of ingesting fluoridated water. any benefit is simply incidental since it must touch your teeth down the hatch. don't take my word for it - go read the papers yourself, they all say as much. Or to put it another way, would pumping fluoride to your stomach help your teeth? I hope you know the answer. literally every toothpaste in the united states explicitly says to spit, not swallow. there's a reason for that.
- hnthrow90348765 2y ago
  Narrarator: "There wasn't a choice after all"
- status_quo69 2y ago
  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2925001/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2925001/ Not everyone has impeccable brushing habits and reducing cavities is a net benefit to public health like sanitation departments. I would be more interested to see a source as to why you think there's no benefit to fluorinated water when there are studies that are a quick search away for fluorinated water.
  - amazingamazing 2y ago
    > reducing cavities is a net benefit to public health like sanitation departments what is the connection between reducing cavities and sanitation departments? cavities are not communicable. Also, the paper you linked is my point. there's no actual benefit of ingestion. the effect is purely incidental. it's more effective to apply fluoride to the teeth. nowhere does it actually explain that drinking it is what is beneficial. the difference in the incidence of caries is because by fluoridating the water it obviously will touch teeth, which has well known positive effects. the main conclusion of the paper is what everyone should hopefully know already - brush your teeth regularly with fluoride toothpaste. out of curiosity, would you be OK with vitamins being added to the water? most people are deficient in many.
    - pjc50 2y ago
      > would you be OK with vitamins being added to the water? Provided there's reasonable scientific evidence that this is fine and effective and not expensive, I don't see why not. I don't think I've ever seen it proposed.
      - amazingamazing 2y ago
        that is good to know. fundamentally we'll have to agree to disagree. I do not agree with experimentation with the populace's water supply as a matter of principal. fyi there's already plenty of evidence that supplements are useful for those that are sufficient. of course the main counter argument is that if you're eating a balanced diet supplements are unnecessary (which is true). though that's just about as helpful as saying water fluoridation is unnecessary because you can brush your teeth (which is also true).
        ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
        Whilst I can see your point of view, I think that fluoride in water is an issue that provoked knee-jerk reactions. Here in the UK, there's areas with and without fluoridisation - the reason being that naturally the water in different areas has different fluoride concentrations with some areas having no need for adding fluoride as it's already there. The benefits were very easy to determine as (presumably) cavities were more common in those areas with low fluoride content, so it's less about experimentation and more about ensuring that more people can gain the same benefit.

1oooqooq 2y ago

it probably don't make a big difference even in your case. in the water system quantities and peer reviewed studies dosages, the psychological impacts are more real than iodine absorption. flouride is not added today for teeth health (distributing mouth wash would do a better job) but it helps keep the water good for drinking, together with stuff like chlorine, which change by region. ... the real reason here is: it's as divisive and harder to reach an informed conclusion either way, just like abortion. oh American politics.

amazingamazing 2y ago
there is not a consensus on fluoride in drinking water. see the intro here (this particular paper concludes fluoride is overall good): https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/711915 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/711915

spauka 2y ago

Without comment on the question of health benefits or harms, I'm curious whether you've had the well water you use tested. Fluoride concentrations in bore-well water varies quite widely, and concentrations higher than fluoridated tap water not uncommon. There are several areas here (in Aus) where fluoride is removed to reach the recommended concentration of 0.5-1.1 ppm. This obviously varies based on location.

cantrecallmypwd 2y ago

“It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.”