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I think you're right in a way because if school wants to prepare kids for work, then they'll have to get competent with tech. But at the same time, I think ban

I think you're right in a way because if school wants to prepare kids for work, then they'll have to get competent with tech. But at the same time, I think banning smartphones is perfectly fine because you can still use computers and stuff. It's not like they're going back to quills and ink. Smartphones fry your attention span and enable bullying. And if parents want to have emergency contact, you can always have a simple mobile phone with texting/calling.

graemep 1y ago
> I think you're right in a way because if school wants to prepare kids for work, then they'll have to get competent with tech. 1. Educational is not vocational training. Schools should give kids skills and a foundation, not teach them how to use particular technology. 2. Not all jobs require much knowledge of how to use technology.
- FinnLobsien 1y ago
  1. Correct, I think you've changed my mind on this and I'll investigate further. Though they should probably get foundational knowledge on tech literacy. 2. True, though less true over time. Even in the non-tech jobs you're now constantly using technology. In the trades, you need to know how to operate a CNC machine. As a nurse, you're operating medical devices that are getting more and more powered by technology.
_Algernon_ 1y ago
>I think you're right in a way because if school wants to prepare kids for work, then they'll have to get competent with tech. They are failing spectacularly on that front anyways. You don't learn useful skills by being handed a remotely administered tablet or Chromebook, which is what schools provide.
- threetonesun 1y ago
  Growing up we had computer class in school, where we did BASIC programming and worked on typing, and this wasn't a particularly good school system. Moving towards "you'll learn computers and typing by having them in your face all the time" feels like a considerable regression in both computer and general skills.
- zx90 1y ago
  I saw this in the Netherlands: Chromebooks with which the children did their research online, submitted their homework online, got them graded online, organized their workgroups, schedules and meetings online ... Actually </s> they were learnig vital skills like Agile Sprint management! (I don't know if they ever physically met for standup meeetings)
zx90 1y ago
Using a dumb-phone is the reason a pre-teen neighbor of mine got bullied. So much that she ended up stealing money to get herself a smartphone. Shortly afterwards the parents folded and became less strict with their anti-consumerism stance.
- FinnLobsien 1y ago
  yeah but isn't that precisely what banning smartphones in schools fixes? Nobody said anything about outside of school.
  - zx90 1y ago
    Sorry, I was not clear. Absolutely smartphones should be banned, at least during lessons, and at best during the whole time in the school, recess, etc. Giving a child a dumb-phone in an environment where everybody else uses a smartphone doesn't work. If smarphones are not banned then _all_ will end up with a smartphone, and socialisation difficulties, etc... This is a case where individual freedoms end up in collective damage. Maybe I'm an outlier here but I'd ban all kinds of social media all the time.

graemep 1y ago

> I think you're right in a way because if school wants to prepare kids for work, then they'll have to get competent with tech. 1. Educational is not vocational training. Schools should give kids skills and a foundation, not teach them how to use particular technology. 2. Not all jobs require much knowledge of how to use technology.

FinnLobsien 1y ago
1. Correct, I think you've changed my mind on this and I'll investigate further. Though they should probably get foundational knowledge on tech literacy. 2. True, though less true over time. Even in the non-tech jobs you're now constantly using technology. In the trades, you need to know how to operate a CNC machine. As a nurse, you're operating medical devices that are getting more and more powered by technology.

_Algernon_ 1y ago

>I think you're right in a way because if school wants to prepare kids for work, then they'll have to get competent with tech. They are failing spectacularly on that front anyways. You don't learn useful skills by being handed a remotely administered tablet or Chromebook, which is what schools provide.

threetonesun 1y ago
Growing up we had computer class in school, where we did BASIC programming and worked on typing, and this wasn't a particularly good school system. Moving towards "you'll learn computers and typing by having them in your face all the time" feels like a considerable regression in both computer and general skills.
zx90 1y ago
I saw this in the Netherlands: Chromebooks with which the children did their research online, submitted their homework online, got them graded online, organized their workgroups, schedules and meetings online ... Actually </s> they were learnig vital skills like Agile Sprint management! (I don't know if they ever physically met for standup meeetings)

zx90 1y ago

Using a dumb-phone is the reason a pre-teen neighbor of mine got bullied. So much that she ended up stealing money to get herself a smartphone. Shortly afterwards the parents folded and became less strict with their anti-consumerism stance.

FinnLobsien 1y ago
yeah but isn't that precisely what banning smartphones in schools fixes? Nobody said anything about outside of school.
- zx90 1y ago
  Sorry, I was not clear. Absolutely smartphones should be banned, at least during lessons, and at best during the whole time in the school, recess, etc. Giving a child a dumb-phone in an environment where everybody else uses a smartphone doesn't work. If smarphones are not banned then _all_ will end up with a smartphone, and socialisation difficulties, etc... This is a case where individual freedoms end up in collective damage. Maybe I'm an outlier here but I'd ban all kinds of social media all the time.