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School shootings do happen in Finland, although they're rarer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viertola_school_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viertola_sch

by n4r9 2y ago

School shootings do happen in Finland, although they're rarer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viertola_school_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viertola_school_shooting

jajko 2y ago
And thats no reason to let kids do empty highly addictive activity unhinged instead of getting prepared for later life. Emotional reactions != smart ones.
- constantcrying 2y ago
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  - pandemic_region 2y ago
    Are you implying we should school them the Spartan way rather then? Would that prepare them for life in a better way? Or, what do you think would be valuable then to do (purposely not saying learn) during those twelve years?
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      I am not implying anything. >Or, what do you think would be valuable then to do (purposely not saying learn) during those twelve years? I think that this is different between children. Actually I think it could be extremely valuable to learn, but then the child's activities should actually focus on learning effectively. And sitting in a classroom with children not that interested in learning and a teacher trying to find some middle ground is not helping that. Personally I believe that with a good school system I would have been perfectly fine doing university courses at 16 and a good school system would have encouraged me to accomplish exactly that.
  - ndr42 2y ago
    I've read the same comment from you as a response to three different comments. I will just answer here: "There is substantial evidence to suggest that education influences intelligence.[3]" (From Wikipedia) [3] Baltes, P., & Reinert, G. (1969). Cohort effects in cognitive development in children as revealed by cross sectional sequences. Developmental Psychology, 1, 169-177.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Why do you think I am "against learning"? I am saying that school is terrible at teaching. If the goal of schooling is that students learn then the school system I was in was a total failure. The moment I entered university I learned much more and much faster.
      - ndr42 2y ago
        I'd suggest not making it so black and white ("school does nothing", "total failure"), there is room for a bit of nuance.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Sure, I am guilty of being polarizing. But I honestly do believe that my 12 years of schooling were in large parts a waste of time and I would like it if people at least considered the possibility that you can have children do other things.
      - messe 2y ago
        > The moment I entered university I learned much more and much faster. Is it not possible that schooling prepared you for this and enabled you to learn much more and faster?
        constantcrying 2y ago
        No. It is not possible. Why couldn't the school have prepared me for that when I was 16? Why does preparation take precisely 12 years and only then I can really learn anything.
  - floren 2y ago
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- n4r9 2y ago
  No, I agree. Just give the kids brick phones if you're that worried.
  - nopakos 2y ago
    It's Finland. The school should give a Nokia 3310 to each kid.

by n4r9 2y ago

School shootings do happen in Finland, although they're rarer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viertola_school_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viertola_school_shooting

jajko 2y ago

And thats no reason to let kids do empty highly addictive activity unhinged instead of getting prepared for later life. Emotional reactions != smart ones.

constantcrying 2y ago
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- pandemic_region 2y ago
  Are you implying we should school them the Spartan way rather then? Would that prepare them for life in a better way? Or, what do you think would be valuable then to do (purposely not saying learn) during those twelve years?
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    I am not implying anything. >Or, what do you think would be valuable then to do (purposely not saying learn) during those twelve years? I think that this is different between children. Actually I think it could be extremely valuable to learn, but then the child's activities should actually focus on learning effectively. And sitting in a classroom with children not that interested in learning and a teacher trying to find some middle ground is not helping that. Personally I believe that with a good school system I would have been perfectly fine doing university courses at 16 and a good school system would have encouraged me to accomplish exactly that.
- ndr42 2y ago
  I've read the same comment from you as a response to three different comments. I will just answer here: "There is substantial evidence to suggest that education influences intelligence.[3]" (From Wikipedia) [3] Baltes, P., & Reinert, G. (1969). Cohort effects in cognitive development in children as revealed by cross sectional sequences. Developmental Psychology, 1, 169-177.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    Why do you think I am "against learning"? I am saying that school is terrible at teaching. If the goal of schooling is that students learn then the school system I was in was a total failure. The moment I entered university I learned much more and much faster.
    - ndr42 2y ago
      I'd suggest not making it so black and white ("school does nothing", "total failure"), there is room for a bit of nuance.
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        Sure, I am guilty of being polarizing. But I honestly do believe that my 12 years of schooling were in large parts a waste of time and I would like it if people at least considered the possibility that you can have children do other things.
    - messe 2y ago
      > The moment I entered university I learned much more and much faster. Is it not possible that schooling prepared you for this and enabled you to learn much more and faster?
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        No. It is not possible. Why couldn't the school have prepared me for that when I was 16? Why does preparation take precisely 12 years and only then I can really learn anything.
- floren 2y ago
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n4r9 2y ago
No, I agree. Just give the kids brick phones if you're that worried.
- nopakos 2y ago
  It's Finland. The school should give a Nokia 3310 to each kid.