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somenameforme 1y ago
There's a much more informative article here. [1] It's by value. And it's not just domestic only but USMCA (US-Mexico-Canada). And the tariffs are seemingly prorated by percent 'domestic' (their example math is nonsensical, but I think that was just a math fail on the writer's part) with numerous relief and rebate options available to help ease in the transition period for various auto manufacturers. GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. [1] - https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/trump-eases-auto-tariffs-last-minute-as-buyers-brace-for-sticker-shock/ https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/trump-eases-auto-tariffs-l...
- vlovich123 1y ago
  > GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opinions.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    > Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thing is murky at best.
    - vlovich123 1y ago
      Amazon has backed off on doing it for Haul after Trump’s press secretary publicly flamed them invoking a direct conversation with him: > “The team that runs our ultra low cost Amazon Haul store considered the idea of listing import charges on certain products,” Amazon spokesperson Tim Doyle said in a statement. “This was never approved and is not going to happen.” > Trump told reporters Tuesday afternoon that Bezos “was very nice, he was terrific” during the call and “he solved the problem very quickly.” He added that Bezos is “a good guy.” If this had already started being leaked to the press I doubt that it “wasn’t going to happen” and was likely past exec review at that point. Then Trump calls Bezos and Bezos overrules the team and PR damage control as if this was some rogue action. Of course it’s pure speculation but it fits the timeline of events we know about better and we know this administration is a completely unreliable narrator as evidenced time and time again (from Trump continuing to lie claiming a photoshopped photo with ms13 overlayed was actually his tattoos to claiming he’s spoken to the Chinese leader with China disputing that any conversations have been had) https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/amazon-considers-displaying-tariff-surcharge-on-low-cost-haul-products.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/amazon-considers-displaying-...
      - exe34 1y ago
        The Great Leader does not lie. Reality itself is in the wrong.
      - dialup_sounds 1y ago
        "Leaked to the press" meaning one membership-based newsletter targeting DC insiders.
      - ethbr1 1y ago
        > Of course it’s pure speculation This is what I was taking issue with. And also, please don't do the currently en vogue thing of mentioning something unrelated to buttress an argument against Trump. There's plenty of on-topic fuckups from this administration that you don't need to do the Fox News-style "and what about..." emotion bait.
    - enaaem 1y ago
      The only murky thing is how far Amazon was in implementing it, but there is no doubt that the White House reacted furiously to it. This is a very sensitive issue for them, and companies should be aware that Trump is willing to make their lives very difficult if they show this information.
      - InDubioProRubio 1y ago
        Up next, a mysterious small company appears, releasing the AMAzing Plugin, that allows to compute the tarif addition on amazon.com. Totally unrelated
        marcusb 1y ago
        Released yesterday: https://github.com/mergd/amzn-tariff https://github.com/mergd/amzn-tariff
    - exe34 1y ago
      How do you go from: 1. White House uses machinery of state to force the hand of private enterprise to hide impact of tariffs on prices. 2. Private enterprise acquiesces. to "The whole thing is murky at best"? It's pretty clear fascism to me. From wikipedia (while they are allowed to exist): "centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition".
      - dialup_sounds 1y ago
        The point is that Amazon wasn't doing it in the first place.
      - somenameforme 1y ago
        Using "the machinery of the state to force private enterprise" is a rather hyperbolic way of describing a phone call. I do agree in general that the government should be much more strongly separated from private enterprise than it is, but a phone call to exert pressure is a ridiculously low standard of governmental pressure, not even just objectively but also what we've seen over the past several years in completely systemic practice.
        exe34 1y ago
        > hyperbolic way of describing a phone call A phone call is a bit of a coward way to describe the press secretary moaning about a hostile and political involvement of a (somehow) foreign government intervention to international journalists.
        somenameforme 1y ago
        She was referencing this [1] article. And Amazon did indeed exactly what she said. They launched a side gig "Chinese Books", guided by the Chinese propaganda arm NPPA, at the behest of China exclusively in order to further their reach and business in China. That, while complying with ever more onerous requests of the Chinese government including removing reviews for certain Chinese books, granting complete control of "their" cloud services in China to Chinese government approved companies, and so forth. It creates a reasonable argument that Amazon will do basically anything to get some of that sweet Chinese $$$, which makes their unprecedented foray into politics (at a consumer facing level), in a way that would be completely beneficial to China, look particularly bad. This still has nothing to do with using "the machinery of the state to force private enterprise" or anything like that. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-china-propaganda-arm-win-beijings-favor-document-shows-2021-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-ch...
  - m4rtink 1y ago
    Wouldn't that be actually good thing for supporting local manufacturing and local buying, if customers could easily see which products are expensive because they are imported and which ones are expensive because they are locally made ?
    - deleted 1y ago
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moomin 1y ago
I feel like the real answer is "This is why trade negotiations take so long". But when you're making up policy on the fly, who knows?
gadders 1y ago
You take this 4.5 hour exam to prove you know how to do it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-impossible-four-hour-test-you-need-to-pass-to-become-a-tariff-pencil-pusher/ar-AA1DrGL7?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-impossible-four-ho...

There's a much more informative article here. [1] It's by value. And it's not just domestic only but USMCA (US-Mexico-Canada). And the tariffs are seemingly prorated by percent 'domestic' (their example math is nonsensical, but I think that was just a math fail on the writer's part) with numerous relief and rebate options available to help ease in the transition period for various auto manufacturers. GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. [1] - https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/trump-eases-auto-tariffs-last-minute-as-buyers-brace-for-sticker-shock/ https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/trump-eases-auto-tariffs-l...

vlovich123 1y ago
> GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opinions.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  > Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thing is murky at best.
  - vlovich123 1y ago
    Amazon has backed off on doing it for Haul after Trump’s press secretary publicly flamed them invoking a direct conversation with him: > “The team that runs our ultra low cost Amazon Haul store considered the idea of listing import charges on certain products,” Amazon spokesperson Tim Doyle said in a statement. “This was never approved and is not going to happen.” > Trump told reporters Tuesday afternoon that Bezos “was very nice, he was terrific” during the call and “he solved the problem very quickly.” He added that Bezos is “a good guy.” If this had already started being leaked to the press I doubt that it “wasn’t going to happen” and was likely past exec review at that point. Then Trump calls Bezos and Bezos overrules the team and PR damage control as if this was some rogue action. Of course it’s pure speculation but it fits the timeline of events we know about better and we know this administration is a completely unreliable narrator as evidenced time and time again (from Trump continuing to lie claiming a photoshopped photo with ms13 overlayed was actually his tattoos to claiming he’s spoken to the Chinese leader with China disputing that any conversations have been had) https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/amazon-considers-displaying-tariff-surcharge-on-low-cost-haul-products.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/amazon-considers-displaying-...
    - exe34 1y ago
      The Great Leader does not lie. Reality itself is in the wrong.
    - dialup_sounds 1y ago
      "Leaked to the press" meaning one membership-based newsletter targeting DC insiders.
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      > Of course it’s pure speculation This is what I was taking issue with. And also, please don't do the currently en vogue thing of mentioning something unrelated to buttress an argument against Trump. There's plenty of on-topic fuckups from this administration that you don't need to do the Fox News-style "and what about..." emotion bait.
  - enaaem 1y ago
    The only murky thing is how far Amazon was in implementing it, but there is no doubt that the White House reacted furiously to it. This is a very sensitive issue for them, and companies should be aware that Trump is willing to make their lives very difficult if they show this information.
    - InDubioProRubio 1y ago
      Up next, a mysterious small company appears, releasing the AMAzing Plugin, that allows to compute the tarif addition on amazon.com. Totally unrelated
      - marcusb 1y ago
        Released yesterday: https://github.com/mergd/amzn-tariff https://github.com/mergd/amzn-tariff
  - exe34 1y ago
    How do you go from: 1. White House uses machinery of state to force the hand of private enterprise to hide impact of tariffs on prices. 2. Private enterprise acquiesces. to "The whole thing is murky at best"? It's pretty clear fascism to me. From wikipedia (while they are allowed to exist): "centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition".
    - dialup_sounds 1y ago
      The point is that Amazon wasn't doing it in the first place.
    - somenameforme 1y ago
      Using "the machinery of the state to force private enterprise" is a rather hyperbolic way of describing a phone call. I do agree in general that the government should be much more strongly separated from private enterprise than it is, but a phone call to exert pressure is a ridiculously low standard of governmental pressure, not even just objectively but also what we've seen over the past several years in completely systemic practice.
      - exe34 1y ago
        > hyperbolic way of describing a phone call A phone call is a bit of a coward way to describe the press secretary moaning about a hostile and political involvement of a (somehow) foreign government intervention to international journalists.
        somenameforme 1y ago
        She was referencing this [1] article. And Amazon did indeed exactly what she said. They launched a side gig "Chinese Books", guided by the Chinese propaganda arm NPPA, at the behest of China exclusively in order to further their reach and business in China. That, while complying with ever more onerous requests of the Chinese government including removing reviews for certain Chinese books, granting complete control of "their" cloud services in China to Chinese government approved companies, and so forth. It creates a reasonable argument that Amazon will do basically anything to get some of that sweet Chinese $$$, which makes their unprecedented foray into politics (at a consumer facing level), in a way that would be completely beneficial to China, look particularly bad. This still has nothing to do with using "the machinery of the state to force private enterprise" or anything like that. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-china-propaganda-arm-win-beijings-favor-document-shows-2021-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-ch...
- m4rtink 1y ago
  Wouldn't that be actually good thing for supporting local manufacturing and local buying, if customers could easily see which products are expensive because they are imported and which ones are expensive because they are locally made ?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]

moomin 1y ago

I feel like the real answer is "This is why trade negotiations take so long". But when you're making up policy on the fly, who knows?

gadders 1y ago

You take this 4.5 hour exam to prove you know how to do it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-impossible-four-hour-test-you-need-to-pass-to-become-a-tariff-pencil-pusher/ar-AA1DrGL7?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-impossible-four-ho...