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As if binary blobs were subject to copyright laws in the first place. The whole “licensing” stuff on language model is a scam, or more precisely, an attempt to

As if binary blobs were subject to copyright laws in the first place. The whole “licensing” stuff on language model is a scam, or more precisely, an attempt to create a new kind of IP laws from thin air.

charcircuit 2y ago
Are you implying movies (binary blobs) are not subject to copyright laws?
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  The blob itself isn't, exactly: you cannot just reencode a movie and claim copyright protection over the resulting blob. What's protected is the content of the movie, and it's protected because it derives from human creativity. > The copyright law only protects “the fruits of intellectual labor” that “are founded in the creative powers of the mind.” > […] > Similarly, the Office will not register works produced by a machine or mere mechanical process that operates randomly or automatically without any creative input or intervention from a human author. source: https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap300/ch300-copyrightable-authorship.pdf https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap300/ch300-copyrightable-...
  - charcircuit 2y ago
    >you cannot just reencode a movie and claim copyright protection over the resulting blob. Because that would be a derivative work. >the content of the movie Which exists as a binary blob. Copying that binary blob requires a license to do so.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      > Because that would be a derivative work No, derivative work require human creativity themselves. Compiling or re-encoding still doesn't count. See : https//www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/101 A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a "derivative work". > Which exists as a binary blob. Nope, for copyright protection it must exist at least as one binary blob, but having multiple binary blobs (with different resolutions) doesn't make it a different copyright piece. It's the underlying creation that is protected, not a particular instance of it. Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back is what's registered at the Copyright Office, not Star_Wars_The_Empire_Strikes_Back.720p.avi. > Copying that binary blob requires a license to do so. Fortunately no, otherwise your internet provider would need a license from the copyright holders to copy the blob from Netflix server to your machine. One last time: copyright isn't about the blob, it's about the creation stored on it. The process of creating the blob doesn't grant you any copyright protection of you don't own the underlying material.
      - charcircuit 2y ago
        >No, derivative work require human creativity themselves. Then it would just be a copy then. Copies need a license. >Fortunately no, otherwise your internet provider would need a license from the copyright holders to copy the blob from Netflix server to your machine. No, I believe this is because internet providers do not save the content which means that a copy is not considered to be made. If copies were allowed of binary blobs people could legally make pirate sites sharing copies like that.
        littlestymaar 2y ago
        > No, I believe this is because internet providers do not save the content which means that a copy is not considered to be made. Nope, that's not the reason, and that's why you don't need to give a copyright license to Apple before storing your personal pictures to iCloud either, nor does Apple need a license to store copyrighted material you got a license for (like software or paid downloaded movies). Copying a blob isn't a license infringement in itself, because the blob itself was never protected by copyright. > If copies were allowed of binary blobs people could legally make pirate sites sharing copies like that. No, because sharing is what you'd get prosecuted for. Part of me thinks you should really try to start learning the basis of stuff before arguing on the internet about it, but who am I to judge your life choices. I did my best to help you learn something, but if you refuse to there's nothing more I can do.
        charcircuit 2y ago
        >that's why you don't need to give a copyright license to Apple before storing your personal pictures to iCloud either You do which is why it's a part of the terms of service for icloud. https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/tercloud https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terc.... >No, because sharing is what you'd get prosecuted for. Copyright controls both reproduction and distribution. >start learning the basis of stuff before arguing on the internet about it You are being unnecessarily smug and condescending.
        2y ago

charcircuit 2y ago

Are you implying movies (binary blobs) are not subject to copyright laws?

littlestymaar 2y ago
The blob itself isn't, exactly: you cannot just reencode a movie and claim copyright protection over the resulting blob. What's protected is the content of the movie, and it's protected because it derives from human creativity. > The copyright law only protects “the fruits of intellectual labor” that “are founded in the creative powers of the mind.” > […] > Similarly, the Office will not register works produced by a machine or mere mechanical process that operates randomly or automatically without any creative input or intervention from a human author. source: https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap300/ch300-copyrightable-authorship.pdf https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap300/ch300-copyrightable-...
- charcircuit 2y ago
  >you cannot just reencode a movie and claim copyright protection over the resulting blob. Because that would be a derivative work. >the content of the movie Which exists as a binary blob. Copying that binary blob requires a license to do so.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    > Because that would be a derivative work No, derivative work require human creativity themselves. Compiling or re-encoding still doesn't count. See : https//www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/101 A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a "derivative work". > Which exists as a binary blob. Nope, for copyright protection it must exist at least as one binary blob, but having multiple binary blobs (with different resolutions) doesn't make it a different copyright piece. It's the underlying creation that is protected, not a particular instance of it. Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back is what's registered at the Copyright Office, not Star_Wars_The_Empire_Strikes_Back.720p.avi. > Copying that binary blob requires a license to do so. Fortunately no, otherwise your internet provider would need a license from the copyright holders to copy the blob from Netflix server to your machine. One last time: copyright isn't about the blob, it's about the creation stored on it. The process of creating the blob doesn't grant you any copyright protection of you don't own the underlying material.
    - charcircuit 2y ago
      >No, derivative work require human creativity themselves. Then it would just be a copy then. Copies need a license. >Fortunately no, otherwise your internet provider would need a license from the copyright holders to copy the blob from Netflix server to your machine. No, I believe this is because internet providers do not save the content which means that a copy is not considered to be made. If copies were allowed of binary blobs people could legally make pirate sites sharing copies like that.
      - littlestymaar 2y ago
        > No, I believe this is because internet providers do not save the content which means that a copy is not considered to be made. Nope, that's not the reason, and that's why you don't need to give a copyright license to Apple before storing your personal pictures to iCloud either, nor does Apple need a license to store copyrighted material you got a license for (like software or paid downloaded movies). Copying a blob isn't a license infringement in itself, because the blob itself was never protected by copyright. > If copies were allowed of binary blobs people could legally make pirate sites sharing copies like that. No, because sharing is what you'd get prosecuted for. Part of me thinks you should really try to start learning the basis of stuff before arguing on the internet about it, but who am I to judge your life choices. I did my best to help you learn something, but if you refuse to there's nothing more I can do.
        charcircuit 2y ago
        >that's why you don't need to give a copyright license to Apple before storing your personal pictures to iCloud either You do which is why it's a part of the terms of service for icloud. https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/tercloud https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terc.... >No, because sharing is what you'd get prosecuted for. Copyright controls both reproduction and distribution. >start learning the basis of stuff before arguing on the internet about it You are being unnecessarily smug and condescending.
        2y ago