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Tesla's success/threat pushed traditional automakers to actually build EVs at scale. It convinced consumers that EVs are viable and kickstarted charging infrast

Tesla's success/threat pushed traditional automakers to actually build EVs at scale. It convinced consumers that EVs are viable and kickstarted charging infrastructure. The left accomplished its goal even if it probably would have preferred Elon not go all Kanye on us.

esalman 2y ago
> The left accomplished its goal Yeah we allowed a deranged billionaire to transform auto industry, even if it cost us democracy and threats of fascism and authoritarianism for the foreseeable future. Completely delusional.
- cosmicgadget 2y ago
  Post hoc ergo propter hoc
  - esalman 2y ago
    A lot of people, including me, realized even as early as circa 2018 that he was a nutcase. Imo the point of post hoc ergo should've been when he said zero Covid case by April (2020).
    - cosmicgadget 2y ago
      Sure but the authoritarianism outcome was not predestined by simply funding the technologies he invested in. Plenty of eccentric and/or drug-addled billionaires went on to live relatively harmless lives. He could have been a jar-pissing recluse or spent his days pinning the weasel in a Caribbean polycule dormitory or gone on wild John McAfee adventures. The place we went wrong wasn't incentivizing Tesla, it was allowing the other guy to escape conviction.
- arandomusername 2y ago
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  - boroboro4 2y ago
    The fact that Trump was democratically elected changes nothing, Hitler (and Putin) were too. Threats of fascism and authoritarianism aren’t baseless fear mongering, it’s all already happening. While fascism might be too strong of a word the amount of hate administration creating against particular group of people (immigrants, especially undocumented) is huge; just take a look at this wall https://www.borderreport.com/regions/washington-d-c/white-house-displays-signs-highlighting-crime-by-illegal-immigrants/ https://www.borderreport.com/regions/washington-d-c/white-ho... How you can consider following not to be signs of authoritarianism?: – sending people into foreign prison without (criminal) due process – attacking law firms which used to represent opposing parties to yours – attacking universities representing views different from yours – attacking media through FTC to exhibit control over their reporting – attacking platform for donations for opposing party – routinely abusing power by issuing lawless executive orders every day – literally dismantling federal government and international position of the country – turning the state into police state, with ICE being modern day gestapo If you read constitution you know we’re land of the people and laws. President isn’t a king. President is a person elected for faithful execution of the laws, and it’s hard to underestimate how deep in the woods we’re towards authoritarianism. Calling it baseless fear mongering is nothing but being truly delusional.
    - esalman 2y ago
      As someone who spent thirty years in a developing country with unstable political climate, I can tell you these are telltale signs.
    - arandomusername 2y ago
      undocumented immigrants? You mean illegals. > – sending people into foreign prison without (criminal) due process They were in the country illegally. That's breaking a law. They received the due process that illegal aliens get. > – turning the state into police state, with ICE being modern day gestapo Not even remotely close. ICE targets illegal (criminal) aliens. Not to mention the deportation numbers are pathetically low. > – literally dismantling federal government and international position of the country How is he dismantling the federal government? Surely you don't mean doge which has been a pathetic failure. > President is a person elected for faithful execution of the laws The 2nd amendment has been infringed upon by previous administrations. How come that's not covered by this? All the other stuff is bunch of nothing. Far better examples are under Biden against Trump, i.e criminally prosecuting your political opponent - but ofcourse there's plenty of excuses just like there are for everything in here. > – attacking universities representing views different from yours What views are those? I agree with you here, this part is messed up. Isn't it crazy how, having anti-certain country view, will get uni's federal funding shut off, or students that are in US legally deported? Those students didn't criticize US, but a certain foreign country. How crazy is that. Really shows you the influence those people have huh.
AngryData 2y ago
I don't know if I can actually believe that. EVs were already coming. Yeah the rollout was a bit slower than the demand for them in established companies, but not by much. People had already been driving hybrid vehicles for quite awhile, and some electric cars already existed even if most were lower mileage/smaller battery models. To me it is like claiming without iphones we wouldn't have gotten smartphones or touchscreens until a decade later. Except PDAs and touch screens already existed, apple just got a few years jump start on a big brand model before many other companies did the math on how cheap mobile computing and touch screens were becoming.
- cosmicgadget 2y ago
  I'm not convinced it's a good comparison. Even in the dumbphone days we had the Blackberry and NGage and JavaME and other attempts to be the next big thing. It just took a few years and certainly wasn't because of Apple. With automakers it seemed like in the 20-teens they all shrugged and said, "looks like hybrids are the best we can do". Then Tesla started selling sedans and SUVs and exactly one legacy auto design cycle later we got the electric Mustang, Golf, 3-series, etc. I think they would have milked ICE as long as they could had no one come along with a successful ev.

esalman 2y ago

> The left accomplished its goal Yeah we allowed a deranged billionaire to transform auto industry, even if it cost us democracy and threats of fascism and authoritarianism for the foreseeable future. Completely delusional.

cosmicgadget 2y ago
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
- esalman 2y ago
  A lot of people, including me, realized even as early as circa 2018 that he was a nutcase. Imo the point of post hoc ergo should've been when he said zero Covid case by April (2020).
  - cosmicgadget 2y ago
    Sure but the authoritarianism outcome was not predestined by simply funding the technologies he invested in. Plenty of eccentric and/or drug-addled billionaires went on to live relatively harmless lives. He could have been a jar-pissing recluse or spent his days pinning the weasel in a Caribbean polycule dormitory or gone on wild John McAfee adventures. The place we went wrong wasn't incentivizing Tesla, it was allowing the other guy to escape conviction.
arandomusername 2y ago
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- boroboro4 2y ago
  The fact that Trump was democratically elected changes nothing, Hitler (and Putin) were too. Threats of fascism and authoritarianism aren’t baseless fear mongering, it’s all already happening. While fascism might be too strong of a word the amount of hate administration creating against particular group of people (immigrants, especially undocumented) is huge; just take a look at this wall https://www.borderreport.com/regions/washington-d-c/white-house-displays-signs-highlighting-crime-by-illegal-immigrants/ https://www.borderreport.com/regions/washington-d-c/white-ho... How you can consider following not to be signs of authoritarianism?: – sending people into foreign prison without (criminal) due process – attacking law firms which used to represent opposing parties to yours – attacking universities representing views different from yours – attacking media through FTC to exhibit control over their reporting – attacking platform for donations for opposing party – routinely abusing power by issuing lawless executive orders every day – literally dismantling federal government and international position of the country – turning the state into police state, with ICE being modern day gestapo If you read constitution you know we’re land of the people and laws. President isn’t a king. President is a person elected for faithful execution of the laws, and it’s hard to underestimate how deep in the woods we’re towards authoritarianism. Calling it baseless fear mongering is nothing but being truly delusional.
  - esalman 2y ago
    As someone who spent thirty years in a developing country with unstable political climate, I can tell you these are telltale signs.
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    undocumented immigrants? You mean illegals. > – sending people into foreign prison without (criminal) due process They were in the country illegally. That's breaking a law. They received the due process that illegal aliens get. > – turning the state into police state, with ICE being modern day gestapo Not even remotely close. ICE targets illegal (criminal) aliens. Not to mention the deportation numbers are pathetically low. > – literally dismantling federal government and international position of the country How is he dismantling the federal government? Surely you don't mean doge which has been a pathetic failure. > President is a person elected for faithful execution of the laws The 2nd amendment has been infringed upon by previous administrations. How come that's not covered by this? All the other stuff is bunch of nothing. Far better examples are under Biden against Trump, i.e criminally prosecuting your political opponent - but ofcourse there's plenty of excuses just like there are for everything in here. > – attacking universities representing views different from yours What views are those? I agree with you here, this part is messed up. Isn't it crazy how, having anti-certain country view, will get uni's federal funding shut off, or students that are in US legally deported? Those students didn't criticize US, but a certain foreign country. How crazy is that. Really shows you the influence those people have huh.

AngryData 2y ago

I don't know if I can actually believe that. EVs were already coming. Yeah the rollout was a bit slower than the demand for them in established companies, but not by much. People had already been driving hybrid vehicles for quite awhile, and some electric cars already existed even if most were lower mileage/smaller battery models. To me it is like claiming without iphones we wouldn't have gotten smartphones or touchscreens until a decade later. Except PDAs and touch screens already existed, apple just got a few years jump start on a big brand model before many other companies did the math on how cheap mobile computing and touch screens were becoming.

cosmicgadget 2y ago
I'm not convinced it's a good comparison. Even in the dumbphone days we had the Blackberry and NGage and JavaME and other attempts to be the next big thing. It just took a few years and certainly wasn't because of Apple. With automakers it seemed like in the 20-teens they all shrugged and said, "looks like hybrids are the best we can do". Then Tesla started selling sedans and SUVs and exactly one legacy auto design cycle later we got the electric Mustang, Golf, 3-series, etc. I think they would have milked ICE as long as they could had no one come along with a successful ev.