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Hilariously, a dyson sphere operating at 5% capacity would still generate more power every second than humanity currently generates in 10,000 years.
by Legend2440 1y ago
Hilariously, a dyson sphere operating at 5% capacity would still generate more power every second than humanity currently generates in 10,000 years.
- Calwestjobs 1y agoSure, but 89 % of that 5% will be still used for interplanetary yacht fleet of owner of Chocó-Darién Inc.
- philipkglass 1y agoThe remaining 11% of 5% would need about 8 seconds to generate more energy than humanity currently generates in 10,000 years. Luminosity of the sun: ~380 yottawatts (3.8 * 10^26 watts) Sunlight conversion efficiency of a silicon based solar panel: ~20% A Dyson swarm around the sun built with silicon solar panels: ~76 yottawatts A Dyson swarm around the sun where 5% of the panels work: ~3.8 yottawatts The leftovers from a Dyson swarm around the sun where 5% of the panels work and 89% of the output has been used for interplanetary yachts: ~418 zetawatts (4.18 * 10^23 watts) Primary power production on Earth: ~20 terawatts (2 * 10^13 watts) 10000 years times 20 terawatts is 10000 * 365.25 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 10^12 = 3.16 * 10^24 joules Since a joule is just a watt-second, it takes 7.6 seconds for that 418 zetawatts of leftover Dyson swarm output to match up to 10,000 years of current human energy consumption.
- Calwestjobs 1y agook so are you saying that it is so much that we need 450 more planets worth of people to be able to use that or you're saying that if we can harness that much energy amount/density then we can just make matter on spot and we do not have to travel anywhere anymore, because we can make gold bricks or platinum sieves in particle accelerators just for fun? (this is same argument as why alcubierre drive is nonsense, having capability to manipulate such energy density makes us not want to travel anymore)
- Legend2440 1y agoWe would find new things to do with that energy. Making matter from energy would still be inefficient though. c^2 is a really big number.
- Calwestjobs 1y agoNo we wont. Because if you can drive car to your weekend house 6 miles away, you wont be taking Boeing 747. If you can manipulate such insane energy density you can do anything already even before you reach that capability. Also Dyson sphere is old school idea, new more efficient idea is to make small black hole right next to star and harvest energy from that more concentrated flow. So actually black holes colliding (gravitational waves) can be sign of civilization... Previous post with all those calculations says that you can power 4 149 473 current earths with that amount of energy. I write this with assumption that person is correct (im lazy to calculate that by my self, but it roughly has proper orders of magnitude). My amazon joke was sarcasm.
- nottorp 1y ago> if you can drive car to your weekend house 6 miles away, you wont be taking Boeing 747 No, you will take that elusive flying car because you can afford the energy for it now. And it will be much less efficient than a 747.
- ben_w 1y agoBut at even just 4%, the thermal emissions from a partial Dyson swarm would still be enough to heat Earth by twice what anthropogenic climate change has managed so far: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927024825001904?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092702482...
- Legend2440 1y agoInteresting. Luckily with that kind of energy you can do absolutely insane things, like build planet-sized sunshades or push the earth to a more distant orbit. These challenges can be engineered around.
- zaphirplane 1y agoOr planet wide air conditioning to cool down the earth
- hoseja 1y ago"anthropogenic climate change" isn't heating the planet by literally heating it up with joules from burning stuff but by shifting the balance between absorbed and radiated heat from the sun.
- IAmBroom 1y agoThe cause of the energy isn't as important as the amount. Either way, our ecosystem heats up.
- ben_w 1y agoYes, and? The same is the case with the Dyson swarm. Space goes from being empty to partially re-emitting as a warm object in our direction. The joule heating from current human power is negligible; conversely, a 4% partial Dyson swarm directly heating the earth (i.e. not just greenhousing Sol) wouldn't be just +3 K change in equilibrium, it would be something like +24,400 K, which would vapourise and gravitationally unbind the planet.
- AIPedant 1y agoIt would also cost more power to construct than humanity is currently capable of generating in 10,000 years, so I am not sure what your point is. Presumably a 5% functional Dyson sphere would be a corrupt boondoggle in the same way as a power plant which is down for maintenance 95% of the year, but the financial calculation would use much larger numerators and denominators than we are used to.