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People forget until how recently India was a socialist nation, and how easy it would be to slip back
by guywithahat 2y ago
People forget until how recently India was a socialist nation, and how easy it would be to slip back
- whynotmaybe 2y agoIsn't it still socialist per the Constitution?
- SanjayMehta 2y agoThe word “socialist” was added to the Constitution by Indira Gandhi during the 70s. This was during her “Emergency” when Parliament was essentially dysfunctional. There have been campaigns to remove her changes, but nothing has come of it.
- throwaway2037 2y agoI found a copy of the text here: https://legislative.gov.in/constitution-of-india/ https://legislative.gov.in/constitution-of-india/ English version: https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s380537a945c7aaa788ccfcdf1b99b5d8f/uploads/2024/07/20240716890312078.pdf https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s380537a945c7aaa788ccfcdf1b99b... In the preamble (p32), I see this text: > WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a [SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC] and to secure to all its citizens: That said, I don't know how constitutional amendments work in India. This text may have been amended at a later date, but the original text remains.
- SanjayMehta 2y ago“Socialist” and “Secular” were added by Indira Gandhi when she had declared an Emergency after being disqualified by a high court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-second_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-second_Amendment_of_the_...
- paxys 2y agoSocialism is an economic policy. It has nothing to do with "freedom".
- cryptonector 2y agoSee Sanjay Gandhi's forced sterilization campaign at the behest of the World Bank and IMF. Tell me that reproduction is not a freedom. Tell me that Indira and Sanjay Gandhi weren't socialists.
- terribleperson 2y agoThere was also forced sterilization in the United States. Does that make the United States a socialist country? No, of course not. The argument form "Bob did X, and Bob is an A, therefore all As do X" is nonsense. edit: There was also forced sterilization in the United States. Does that make the United States a socialist country? No, of course not. The argument form "Bob did X, and Bob is an A, therefore anyone who does X is an A" is nonsense. The argument form "Bob did X, and Bob is an A, therefore all As do X" is similarly nonsense. It's also a very weird argument to make when you say it was done "at behest of the World Bank and IMF.", considering those are certainly not socialist organizations.
- zmgsabst 2y agoThere’s a correlating factor: Technocratic managerialism. Communism, socialism, fascism, and progressivism are 20th century political systems based around technocratic managerialism — and all of them have attempted to control breeding in the population. That’s because technocratic managerialism is prone to such decisions. Progressives in the US were behind both Great Society programs and forced sterilization — so it’s more or less accurate to say the US equivalent of socialists did also sterilize people.
- cryptonector 2y ago> That’s because technocratic managerialism is prone to such decisions. That's a nifty insight. Engineers want to engineer. If you place an engineer in charge of social policy they will likely try to engineer social and cultural changes.