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While agree with the whole analysis, I do wonder if most/enough/all the ones supporting the regime change in US are really conservatives ("embraced extreme cons

by vladms 1y ago

While agree with the whole analysis, I do wonder if most/enough/all the ones supporting the regime change in US are really conservatives ("embraced extreme conservatism") or they just feel/are "left behind" hence they want any change. People might not care who is in power (although they will suffer the consequences), but if after 4 years they do not live better they will say "let's change" - without really checking what is the alternative... In the end, alternation of rulers is probably on average healthier than having the same guys over and over, but it is no guarantee of success.

theLiminator 1y ago
I personally think you're right. I think that in general a lot of people want change for the sake of change if they're unhappy (or often even if they're happy).
mmooss 1y ago
That hypothesis goes back to Trump's first election. I think it appeals to fears and stereotypes that working-class white people are fundamentally racist and don't care about democracy and freedom, which is why it makes a strong impression - people remember it and repeat it. IIRC, the data from the elections doesn't support it (but I don't have the data). I think Trump's real powerbase is a wealthy elite, including those who have great influence over the business world and, most critically, over the flow of information, including on Facebook, Instagram, and X.
- overfeed 1y ago
  > I think Trump's real powerbase is a wealthy elite If you look at the breakdown of any Trump approval/disapproval poll, you'll see who the powerbase is. The billionaires are disposable supplicants, they got on the Trump train late and he doesn't really trust them as far as he can throw them.
  - mmooss 1y ago
    > The billionaires are disposable supplicants, they got on the Trump train late and he doesn't really trust them as far as he can throw them. That's true of everyone. The billionaires are not disposable, however; they are essential to his power.

by vladms 1y ago

theLiminator 1y ago

I personally think you're right. I think that in general a lot of people want change for the sake of change if they're unhappy (or often even if they're happy).

mmooss 1y ago

That hypothesis goes back to Trump's first election. I think it appeals to fears and stereotypes that working-class white people are fundamentally racist and don't care about democracy and freedom, which is why it makes a strong impression - people remember it and repeat it. IIRC, the data from the elections doesn't support it (but I don't have the data). I think Trump's real powerbase is a wealthy elite, including those who have great influence over the business world and, most critically, over the flow of information, including on Facebook, Instagram, and X.

overfeed 1y ago
> I think Trump's real powerbase is a wealthy elite If you look at the breakdown of any Trump approval/disapproval poll, you'll see who the powerbase is. The billionaires are disposable supplicants, they got on the Trump train late and he doesn't really trust them as far as he can throw them.
- mmooss 1y ago
  > The billionaires are disposable supplicants, they got on the Trump train late and he doesn't really trust them as far as he can throw them. That's true of everyone. The billionaires are not disposable, however; they are essential to his power.