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Glad thousands of users who managed to find their feature voting site pushed Mozilla to do a few baby steps Though the current interface isn't good - mandatory

by eviks 2y ago

Glad thousands of users who managed to find their feature voting site pushed Mozilla to do a few baby steps Though the current interface isn't good - mandatory group names (which also waste space in the precious tab bar by default) and inability to ungroup with a single key (due to naming conflict) - adds too much friction. Also drag&drop to group is too precise, but also can't be disable, so now you can't reliably move tabs around with a mouse without risking triggering the grouping And, of course, one other top-10 request - to have custom keybinds to group/ungroup - is still too far from the minimum 4500 required to implement it after a few years...

GordonS 2y ago
I'd love to be able to use an icon instead of names - maybe it could let you select a favicon from one of the member tabs.
- reustle 2y ago
  You can use a single emoji as a group name
  - accrual 2y ago
    Glad to hear this works. My bookmark folders are sometimes just a single emoji - takes up less space but still hints at the contents.
maccard 2y ago
Mozilla can’t win. They implement a feature and this is one of the top comments from the community that should be its target audience,
- eviks 2y ago
  Why would you expect a poor implementation of a feature available in competing browsers to have any chance of winning?
  - DavidPiper 2y ago
    Do you use Firefox as a daily driver?
- sph 2y ago
  It would be preferable, as a life-long user, NOT to have a "vote for your feature" website that no one really cares about, where proposal go to die. Like many petitions websites, they exist only to delude you into thinking your voice matters, or for Mozilla to delude themselves they care about what users are vocal about.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
>mandatory group names I'm on 137.0.2 and I just made a nameless tab group just fine. Real estate of a square.
- eviks 2y ago
  When you combine tabs, focus shifts to an input field, requiring extra action to dismiss or accept. That's the friction, even if you type nothing. Also in horizontal tab layout every square matters
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >that's the friction It seems to be entirely preferential. If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. >every square matters If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it. I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone. that sounds like functionality deferred more towards a minor extention.
    - eviks 2y ago
      > It seems to be entirely preferential Having this whole functionality is entirely preferential, so? > If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. It's not, you can have different commands/mouse gestures for different workflows with customizable defaults to avoid most of the friction > Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. That's a bad, though universal (can say exactly the same thing on 100th release) excuse > If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it. Or close the browser. That's nonsense, why would I want absolute zero??? I want zero waste > I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone Gladly there are ways to get knowledge! You can start by measuring actual width instead of making up tiny numbers. And then go on estimate the % of users who have more tabs that fit the screen width - that's the number is anyones no waste will be helping
      - 2y ago
DamnInteresting 2y ago
> Also drag&drop to group is too precise FWIW, you can also highlight multiple tabs and right-click "Add tabs to group".

by eviks 2y ago

GordonS 2y ago

I'd love to be able to use an icon instead of names - maybe it could let you select a favicon from one of the member tabs.

reustle 2y ago
You can use a single emoji as a group name
- accrual 2y ago
  Glad to hear this works. My bookmark folders are sometimes just a single emoji - takes up less space but still hints at the contents.

maccard 2y ago

Mozilla can’t win. They implement a feature and this is one of the top comments from the community that should be its target audience,

eviks 2y ago
Why would you expect a poor implementation of a feature available in competing browsers to have any chance of winning?
- DavidPiper 2y ago
  Do you use Firefox as a daily driver?
sph 2y ago
It would be preferable, as a life-long user, NOT to have a "vote for your feature" website that no one really cares about, where proposal go to die. Like many petitions websites, they exist only to delude you into thinking your voice matters, or for Mozilla to delude themselves they care about what users are vocal about.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>mandatory group names I'm on 137.0.2 and I just made a nameless tab group just fine. Real estate of a square.

eviks 2y ago
When you combine tabs, focus shifts to an input field, requiring extra action to dismiss or accept. That's the friction, even if you type nothing. Also in horizontal tab layout every square matters
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >that's the friction It seems to be entirely preferential. If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. >every square matters If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it. I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone. that sounds like functionality deferred more towards a minor extention.
  - eviks 2y ago
    > It seems to be entirely preferential Having this whole functionality is entirely preferential, so? > If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. It's not, you can have different commands/mouse gestures for different workflows with customizable defaults to avoid most of the friction > Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. That's a bad, though universal (can say exactly the same thing on 100th release) excuse > If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it. Or close the browser. That's nonsense, why would I want absolute zero??? I want zero waste > I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone Gladly there are ways to get knowledge! You can start by measuring actual width instead of making up tiny numbers. And then go on estimate the % of users who have more tabs that fit the screen width - that's the number is anyones no waste will be helping
    - 2y ago

DamnInteresting 2y ago

> Also drag&drop to group is too precise FWIW, you can also highlight multiple tabs and right-click "Add tabs to group".