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isn't anyone else horrified by this? the implication is that given an arbitrary picture, chatgpt can give you a very likely approximate location - expert level

by j3s 1y ago

isn't anyone else horrified by this? the implication is that given an arbitrary picture, chatgpt can give you a very likely approximate location - expert level doxxing is in the hands of anyone with access to a chatgpt subscription. feels terrifying, especially for women.

turtlebits 1y ago
It needs a lot of context. If its a private picture, it won't have enough information. I gave it a picture I took of my yard and it's guess spanned several US states. If its out in public, fair game?
sr-latch 1y ago
the way i see it, before these tools, only someone with a lot of resources (or skills) could track down a location from a picture. now, anyone can do it. the best case outcome is people become more aware of the privacy implications of posting photos online
micromacrofoot 1y ago
it wasn't that hard before, I've taught it to children, it's just that technical skills of the average person are incredibly low llms are basically shortcutting a wide swath of easily obtainable skills that many people simply haven't cared to learn
usaar333 1y ago
Been true since gpt-4.
echelon 1y ago
I think this is incredibly cool. As with many things, the good cases will outnumber the bad. This was always possible, it just wasn't widely distributed. Having a first class ability to effectively geocode an image feels like it connects the world better. You'll be able to snapshot a movie and find where a scene was filmed, revisit places from old photographs, find where interesting locations in print media are, places that designers and creatives used in their (typically exif-stripped) work, etc. Imagine when we get this for architecture and nature. Or even more broadly, databases of food from restaurants. Products. Clothing and fashion. You name it. Imagine precision visual search for everything - that'd be amazing.
daemonologist 1y ago
Keep in mind that this is o3 + web search against a human without web search. A sufficiently motivated person with access to your entire social media history, Google Earth and Streetview, etc. would outperform this significantly and could pinpoint almost any inhabited location with coverage. If you watch Linus Tech Tips, you may have noticed that when he films at his house everything is blurred out to keep people from locating it - here's a recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD_RYb7m4Pw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD_RYb7m4Pw All that to say, unfortunately doxxing is already really hard to protect against. I don't think o3's capability makes the threat any harder to protect against, although it might lower the bar to entry somewhat.
mopenstein 1y ago
Why especially women? Is the only thing stopping a person from being harmed is that their location isn't known? Especially women?
- red75prime 1y ago
  Maxims like "within-group variance is larger than between-group variance" don't help in physical combat, you know.
- j3s 1y ago
  because women are commonly stalked by men, if it must be said. if any idiot can plug any picture into chatgpt and ask "where was this picture taken?" while being able to successively narrow the scope, the potential for stalking - especially of the parasocial kind - goes up.

by j3s 1y ago

turtlebits 1y ago

It needs a lot of context. If its a private picture, it won't have enough information. I gave it a picture I took of my yard and it's guess spanned several US states. If its out in public, fair game?

sr-latch 1y ago

the way i see it, before these tools, only someone with a lot of resources (or skills) could track down a location from a picture. now, anyone can do it. the best case outcome is people become more aware of the privacy implications of posting photos online

micromacrofoot 1y ago

it wasn't that hard before, I've taught it to children, it's just that technical skills of the average person are incredibly low llms are basically shortcutting a wide swath of easily obtainable skills that many people simply haven't cared to learn

usaar333 1y ago

Been true since gpt-4.

echelon 1y ago

I think this is incredibly cool. As with many things, the good cases will outnumber the bad. This was always possible, it just wasn't widely distributed. Having a first class ability to effectively geocode an image feels like it connects the world better. You'll be able to snapshot a movie and find where a scene was filmed, revisit places from old photographs, find where interesting locations in print media are, places that designers and creatives used in their (typically exif-stripped) work, etc. Imagine when we get this for architecture and nature. Or even more broadly, databases of food from restaurants. Products. Clothing and fashion. You name it. Imagine precision visual search for everything - that'd be amazing.

daemonologist 1y ago

Keep in mind that this is o3 + web search against a human without web search. A sufficiently motivated person with access to your entire social media history, Google Earth and Streetview, etc. would outperform this significantly and could pinpoint almost any inhabited location with coverage. If you watch Linus Tech Tips, you may have noticed that when he films at his house everything is blurred out to keep people from locating it - here's a recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD_RYb7m4Pw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD_RYb7m4Pw All that to say, unfortunately doxxing is already really hard to protect against. I don't think o3's capability makes the threat any harder to protect against, although it might lower the bar to entry somewhat.

mopenstein 1y ago

Why especially women? Is the only thing stopping a person from being harmed is that their location isn't known? Especially women?

red75prime 1y ago
Maxims like "within-group variance is larger than between-group variance" don't help in physical combat, you know.
j3s 1y ago
because women are commonly stalked by men, if it must be said. if any idiot can plug any picture into chatgpt and ask "where was this picture taken?" while being able to successively narrow the scope, the potential for stalking - especially of the parasocial kind - goes up.