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>audience for those products has substantially less information I assure you, they will not do anything with the information even if they had it. Convenience

>audience for those products has substantially less information I assure you, they will not do anything with the information even if they had it. Convenience trumps every other consideration including safety.

convolvatron 1y ago
I resent this framing as being entirely about short-sighted consumers valuing convenience. surely it has quite a bit to do with cost as well, both for the producer to increase their margins and also the end consumer. alot of it has to do with choice. the market presents very few non-plastic options in cases where plastic will do fine. so yes, convenience in the 'i hate to buy this plastic thing, but I dont have a week to find someone in estonia that still makes quality goods by hand and then wait for it to be shipped to me' sense
- dennis_jeeves2 1y ago
  >I resent this framing as being entirely about short-sighted consumers valuing convenience. Your resentment is not valid. The switch to plastics did not happen overnight. There used a lot more choices in the past. Common people increasingly chose plastics over a period of time. ( or rather were lazy) Your resentment can be rephrased as - "I cannot come to terms with the fact that common people really are that stupid". Freedoms in various forms are generally not taken away overnight. As they say "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance"
  - ziddoap 1y ago
    Their resentment is completely valid.
    - kylebenzle 1y ago
      Did you read comment above because yours does not not address the response at all (and you are wrong in that context). Again, dude above is saying clearly that the issue is man man, we did this, it's not a natural disaster, so there is no one to blame but ourselves, pretending it was an outside power that did this to you is not valid.
      - ziddoap 1y ago
        >Did you read comment above I sure did, thanks. Did you read convolvatron's? Because "pretending it was an outside power that did this to you" is not what they said.
jajko 1y ago
In normally functioning society there are built in protection mechanisms that shield general population from such harm, as much as possible of course. FDA for US for example. You can't expect every citizen to have 20 phds and actively keep searching for all potential harm from all sides, even you, whoever you are, are not keeping up with it all, thats a fact. It can be tackled trivially, albeit it will create some business friction - you introduce a novel chemical in your product on our market? Please here is the substantial checklist of tests that you need to pass to be allowed. Otherwise please use approved stuff or bye, be it chinese sweatshop or apple. People like trump with their elephant-in-porcelaine-shop approach could be the force of good if they focused ie on such topics with their ferocity. But they do exact opposite (cash flow uber alles, fuck non-ultra-high-net-worth plebs its their fault for being poor and dumb subhumans). So please a bit less of that high horse and more empathy and reason, absolute capitalism with disregard of individuals is what gave us marxism and communism as response, not the path we want or need to go down in 21st century for any reason.
- dennis_jeeves2 1y ago
  >In normally functioning society there are built in protection mechanisms that shield general population from such harm, Give me a single example. (You will find none.) >It can be tackled trivially Agreed, but it won't happen. ( I 'll leave you to figure out why it doesn't happen) >FDA for US for example. They are largely ineffective, if you have looked at them closely. There might be a few exceptions though. >So please a bit less of that high horse and more empathy and reason Great words, and quite a bit of virtue signalling. Have you observed the common person in USA? Netflix channels, tiktok, or some reality show, matter to them more than their health. Look, I understand your sentiment but it does not gel with the reality I observe. Collectively we face the consequences of what the vast majority wants, or in this case neglects. You can either come to terms with it, or you can project your annoyance at me for stating it.
  - kylebenzle 1y ago
    You are correct, people just get mad when they have to face the consequences their own actions. Eating (with) plastic was known to be a bad idea by everyone from day one, we do it because we don't care until something goes wrong for us personally.

convolvatron 1y ago

I resent this framing as being entirely about short-sighted consumers valuing convenience. surely it has quite a bit to do with cost as well, both for the producer to increase their margins and also the end consumer. alot of it has to do with choice. the market presents very few non-plastic options in cases where plastic will do fine. so yes, convenience in the 'i hate to buy this plastic thing, but I dont have a week to find someone in estonia that still makes quality goods by hand and then wait for it to be shipped to me' sense

dennis_jeeves2 1y ago
>I resent this framing as being entirely about short-sighted consumers valuing convenience. Your resentment is not valid. The switch to plastics did not happen overnight. There used a lot more choices in the past. Common people increasingly chose plastics over a period of time. ( or rather were lazy) Your resentment can be rephrased as - "I cannot come to terms with the fact that common people really are that stupid". Freedoms in various forms are generally not taken away overnight. As they say "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance"
- ziddoap 1y ago
  Their resentment is completely valid.
  - kylebenzle 1y ago
    Did you read comment above because yours does not not address the response at all (and you are wrong in that context). Again, dude above is saying clearly that the issue is man man, we did this, it's not a natural disaster, so there is no one to blame but ourselves, pretending it was an outside power that did this to you is not valid.
    - ziddoap 1y ago
      >Did you read comment above I sure did, thanks. Did you read convolvatron's? Because "pretending it was an outside power that did this to you" is not what they said.

jajko 1y ago

In normally functioning society there are built in protection mechanisms that shield general population from such harm, as much as possible of course. FDA for US for example. You can't expect every citizen to have 20 phds and actively keep searching for all potential harm from all sides, even you, whoever you are, are not keeping up with it all, thats a fact. It can be tackled trivially, albeit it will create some business friction - you introduce a novel chemical in your product on our market? Please here is the substantial checklist of tests that you need to pass to be allowed. Otherwise please use approved stuff or bye, be it chinese sweatshop or apple. People like trump with their elephant-in-porcelaine-shop approach could be the force of good if they focused ie on such topics with their ferocity. But they do exact opposite (cash flow uber alles, fuck non-ultra-high-net-worth plebs its their fault for being poor and dumb subhumans). So please a bit less of that high horse and more empathy and reason, absolute capitalism with disregard of individuals is what gave us marxism and communism as response, not the path we want or need to go down in 21st century for any reason.

dennis_jeeves2 1y ago
>In normally functioning society there are built in protection mechanisms that shield general population from such harm, Give me a single example. (You will find none.) >It can be tackled trivially Agreed, but it won't happen. ( I 'll leave you to figure out why it doesn't happen) >FDA for US for example. They are largely ineffective, if you have looked at them closely. There might be a few exceptions though. >So please a bit less of that high horse and more empathy and reason Great words, and quite a bit of virtue signalling. Have you observed the common person in USA? Netflix channels, tiktok, or some reality show, matter to them more than their health. Look, I understand your sentiment but it does not gel with the reality I observe. Collectively we face the consequences of what the vast majority wants, or in this case neglects. You can either come to terms with it, or you can project your annoyance at me for stating it.
- kylebenzle 1y ago
  You are correct, people just get mad when they have to face the consequences their own actions. Eating (with) plastic was known to be a bad idea by everyone from day one, we do it because we don't care until something goes wrong for us personally.