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OK looks like the end of the golden era of remote IT. Probably won't happen again in the feasible future or something bad happens.

cue_the_strings 2y ago
This is actually excellent news. A startup can now afford hiring better talent at lower costs, because people value remote work so much. Remote doesn't necessarily mean working from home. There are people in situations (having babies / toddlers?) where their productivity would improve from working outside the home, so startups should offer to pay for a local coworking space or a similar arrangement.
- paulluuk 2y ago
  Unless startups with remote talent can't get funding, because investors look at big companies and thinking that if Uber, Apple, Amazon, Meta, Google think having in-office employees is better, there must be a good reason for it. But I don't know if that's how investors think?
  - cue_the_strings 2y ago
    Don't underestimate investors' intelligence. Most of the RTO reasons barely make sense for investors investing in startups, but may for established companies. Things like this RTO push rarely happen without a reason. Off the top of my head: - tax cuts if you're operating in a certain area, maybe even historical ones, political connections like - legacy of lobbying local politicians in said area to get some benefit - conflict of interest from the owners (private or major shareholders) also somehow owning commercial real estate or businesses that rely on its vitality - management having reasons to prefer RTO: simple preference for in-person management, fear of loss of control or being perceived as useless, misalignment with a personal-connections-over-merit advancement; these things are mostly misaligned with the owners' interests
- agos 2y ago
  the startup I'm working at is doing exactly that, not really optimizing on the cost but we're getting some exceptional talent and we have an incredible leverage
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  Definitely not good news for workers, especially parents you mentioned.
cynicalsecurity 2y ago
There still are tons of remote jobs available.
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  Very few in my area I think (Quebec). US might be still good.
owebmaster 2y ago
only if the golden era was during Covid but I have been working remotely for the past 20 years. I'm sure there are more jobs available now than there was before Covid.
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  I have been worrying about remote work going away because I really don't want to go back to offices I don't want to go back to being limited by my local labour market, and I don't want to go back to commuting daily and all the other stuff So I'm really determined to stay fully remote, and glad to hear that people have been doing it for much longer than just since COVID Any tips for maintaining this? I have been thinking that it would be easier to stay remote if I start contracting instead of being an employee
  - owebmaster 2y ago
    > Any tips for maintaining this? None that will make you happy. The market changed a lot, I myself not sure if I will be able to find contracts (I'm a contractor) for the next 20 years. The alternative isn't terrible tho: you gotta create your own job, contracting and then creating your own business online. The best way to prove remote works is to create jobs and hiring remote. Nobody should think they are entitled for a great remote job forever.
    - bluefirebrand 2y ago
      > Nobody should think they are entitled for a great remote job forever. I definitely do not feel entitled to it, but it is such a benefit for my life and mental health that I am willing to work to maintain it I am willing to accept lower salaries and a lower promotion ceiling to maintain fully remote work, for instance
      - pllbnk 2y ago
        It's reassuring to know there are more people that feel that way about remote.

cue_the_strings 2y ago

This is actually excellent news. A startup can now afford hiring better talent at lower costs, because people value remote work so much. Remote doesn't necessarily mean working from home. There are people in situations (having babies / toddlers?) where their productivity would improve from working outside the home, so startups should offer to pay for a local coworking space or a similar arrangement.

paulluuk 2y ago
Unless startups with remote talent can't get funding, because investors look at big companies and thinking that if Uber, Apple, Amazon, Meta, Google think having in-office employees is better, there must be a good reason for it. But I don't know if that's how investors think?
- cue_the_strings 2y ago
  Don't underestimate investors' intelligence. Most of the RTO reasons barely make sense for investors investing in startups, but may for established companies. Things like this RTO push rarely happen without a reason. Off the top of my head: - tax cuts if you're operating in a certain area, maybe even historical ones, political connections like - legacy of lobbying local politicians in said area to get some benefit - conflict of interest from the owners (private or major shareholders) also somehow owning commercial real estate or businesses that rely on its vitality - management having reasons to prefer RTO: simple preference for in-person management, fear of loss of control or being perceived as useless, misalignment with a personal-connections-over-merit advancement; these things are mostly misaligned with the owners' interests
agos 2y ago
the startup I'm working at is doing exactly that, not really optimizing on the cost but we're getting some exceptional talent and we have an incredible leverage
markus_zhang 2y ago
Definitely not good news for workers, especially parents you mentioned.

cynicalsecurity 2y ago

There still are tons of remote jobs available.

markus_zhang 2y ago
Very few in my area I think (Quebec). US might be still good.

owebmaster 2y ago

only if the golden era was during Covid but I have been working remotely for the past 20 years. I'm sure there are more jobs available now than there was before Covid.

bluefirebrand 2y ago
I have been worrying about remote work going away because I really don't want to go back to offices I don't want to go back to being limited by my local labour market, and I don't want to go back to commuting daily and all the other stuff So I'm really determined to stay fully remote, and glad to hear that people have been doing it for much longer than just since COVID Any tips for maintaining this? I have been thinking that it would be easier to stay remote if I start contracting instead of being an employee
- owebmaster 2y ago
  > Any tips for maintaining this? None that will make you happy. The market changed a lot, I myself not sure if I will be able to find contracts (I'm a contractor) for the next 20 years. The alternative isn't terrible tho: you gotta create your own job, contracting and then creating your own business online. The best way to prove remote works is to create jobs and hiring remote. Nobody should think they are entitled for a great remote job forever.
  - bluefirebrand 2y ago
    > Nobody should think they are entitled for a great remote job forever. I definitely do not feel entitled to it, but it is such a benefit for my life and mental health that I am willing to work to maintain it I am willing to accept lower salaries and a lower promotion ceiling to maintain fully remote work, for instance
    - pllbnk 2y ago
      It's reassuring to know there are more people that feel that way about remote.